2019-01-09 UTC

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# GWG It is what they are saying about the importance of personal sites, but maybe I am reading into it

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# snarfed wordpress has been a general purpose CMS, ie not just a blogging engine, for many many years now. this just reflects that
# GWG I just feel everyone making decisions is concerned about business sites

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# Loqi snarfed has 36 karma in this channel over the last year (112 in all channels)
# [tantek] OTOH I'm re-activating my Flickr PRO subscription. I've been impressed with a bunch of their decisions, how they've handled criticism, and am optimistic they will continue making positive changes, perhaps even adopting some indieweb building blocks.

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# [tantek] trying mobile now. desktop doesn't work logged in or not for viewing people's profiles e.g. flic.kr/tantek

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# sknebel this is your friendly service announcement that there will be vHWC europe this evening, at 19:15 CET

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# [Rose] It's not on the calendar I subscribed to, but I can live with that.
# sknebel I don't think the calendar subscription thing actually works...

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# [tantek] Only the logged out home page is working for me. Everything else shows the bad bad panda error page
# [tantek] Jeremycherfas I almost didn’t click because I thought you meant CommonMark but that’s something completely different dream CommonMarks 😂

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# Zegnat !tell tantek read back on chat saw you mention silos that promise to keep URLs available (re Flickr keeping accnts of deceased). https://posthaven.com/ has such a “pledge”.
# Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next

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# Zegnat Everything including their vision and about page is behind a login wall?

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# Loqi [tantek]: Zegnat left you a message 1 hour, 10 minutes ago: read back on chat saw you mention silos that promise to keep URLs available (re Flickr keeping accnts of deceased). https://posthaven.com/ has such a “pledge”.
# [tantek] Zegnat, smerrill do either of those have a business model to support that pledge?

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# Zegnat IIRC Posthave charges people who are actively creating content, if payment stops the blog is frozen but they pledge to never delete the content or change the URLs. Basically collective hosting costs are being paid by all the active users.
# Zegnat I think it was founded by the Posterous people after they sold that project and saw all posts that existed on it be wiped
# Loqi posthaven has 1 karma over the last year

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# [smerrill] i loved Posterous

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# [smerrill] [tantek] no more info than the URL. They were at MozFest last October, but I didnt really chat with them at all. I think they have some kind of endowment or grant funding? *shrug*

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# [tantek] Huh then I wouldn’t put much cred behind that. Grants run out all the time leaving projects to die

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# Zegnat Reminiscent of the Pinboard model, honestly: ask people to pay for a silo service that is important to them

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# [tantek] Zegnat, want to define Posthaven to at least capture the business model you noted?
# [tantek] looks like Flickr went down last night literally as my transaction was being processed to re-activate my Pro account😂

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# Loqi Cweiske has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (25 in all channels)
# [cleverdevil] Now that I have a really great solution for tracking my TV/Movie watch history in an automated fashion, I want to have the same thing for my podcast consumption...
# Loqi cweiske has 7 karma in this channel over the last year (26 in all channels)
# [tantek] cweiske++ thank you for maintaining such a valuable service!
# cjwillcock cweiske++ most helpful, thank you
# Loqi cweiske has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (27 in all channels)
# [schmarty] [cleverdevil] i very much also want automated podcast listen tracking
# [cleverdevil] So, I use Overcast for my podcast client, and it does have an OPML export that *may* have the information I need in it.
# [cleverdevil] I could periodically download this file (automatically), parse it, and publish events to my site.
# [cleverdevil] But, I am in the Overcast Slack and and pinging Marco Arment about it as well.
# [schmarty] when i was still on android there were a couple of podcatchers that used the last.fm API and could be pointed at custom servers. my phone died before i got around to setting that up, though.

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# [cleverdevil] OK, I have a script that can reliably read the Overcast extended OPML export, and identify recently watched episodes, including a timestamp of when they were played.
# [cleverdevil] Biggest blockers: 1. this export file is hidden behind an authenticated portal at overcast.fm 2. podcast art isn't available in the OPML file.

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# [cleverdevil] I want it to just track what I listen to automatically and publish it to my site, just like I do with my Trakt.TV history.

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# sknebel in the category bad hacks, you probably could scrape the web version?

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# sknebel sure, getting an API of some sort would be better

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# [eddie] jeremycharfas: That's what I do, I use the Share Sheet on either Overcast or Castro and then my Micropub endpoint scrapes the Podcast Episode page. It's pretty fragile though, so something automated via feed or webhook like [cleverdevil] wants is the best way
# [eddie] Occasionally Castro's podcast episode pages have been broken for a day or so and I can't track podcasts on those pages
# [cleverdevil] It logs into overcast.fm (or restores a saved session from disk if available), parses the OPML, and identifies recently watched episodes.
# [cleverdevil] I figured out how to fetch artwork, too, but I haven't written it into the script yet.
# Loqi [cleverdevil] has 38 karma in this channel over the last year (83 in all channels)

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# [Rose] CleverDevil: Please share your automated TV/Movie watch history with me! And your Overcast stuff 😄
# [Rose] Wonderful, I'll probably rewrite it into PHP and run it on my server (I am familiar with Python, but much less so than PHP). You're a wizard 😄
# [cleverdevil] (there is a tiny conf file you have to make to use that script, and its pretty bespoke for me right now, but the bones are there)
# [Rose] Yes, I already use that to auto log to Day One when I watch stuff.
# [Rose] I just need to figure out how to show this stuff on my website, in the feed, without spamming everyone with it in the RSS 😛
# [cleverdevil] I stopped using Day One a while ago. Built a little script that published all my historical content as private entries to my website.
# [cleverdevil] Now I use Drafts with an action to Micropub journal entries to my website with private visibility.

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# [Rose] (To sknebel, zegnat, and all others doing the online HWC tonight, sorry I couldn't make it, last minute timing collision)

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# [smerrill] writefreely looks neat.
# chrisaldrich I like the idea behind writefreely and the fact that they're monetizing pieces for long term sustainability, but I worry about "free" open instances that die or aren't maintained and essentially act as mini silos.

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# [voss] Except, you know, not possible to self-host etc.
# [voss] [chrisaldrich] Write Freely is somewhat reminiscent of what Telegram did
# chrisaldrich Yes, telegra.ph looks more like the "old" write.as. The newer incarnation of write.as seems to have moved *way* more to the fediverse side of things since November based on their blog.
# chrisaldrich The fact that write.as is now open source and self-hostable is quite interesting though.
# chrisaldrich It could be used to replace things like Facebook groups and other smaller community related pieces.
# [voss] Yes, totally agree. telegra.ph is inundated with spam as well. Hopefully a write.as won't suffer from that.
# chrisaldrich It looks like it's added enough functionality (and with community replies coming) that it could be used for something like that.
# chrisaldrich Though I can't tell if it's got some of the privacy related pieces that some might be looking for.
# chrisaldrich voss, where does one read telegra.ph spam though? Do they have a readable feed?
# [voss] chrisaldrich I did a site search on Google for essay writer.
# [voss] That's a term that has been spamming my site for the last 6 months, repeatedly
# chrisaldrich I see what you mean. I have an education related WithKnown instance that is continually spammed by those two key words. It really kills me.
# [voss] chrisaldrich it's so annoying. A part of me admire the persistance, that these essay writers have (:
# chrisaldrich I suppose they've got to write something when they're not writing essays? ;)
# chrisaldrich I know that WithKnown focused heavily on the edu market and suspect that's how they drew these essay blogger spam. I'm curious if others with non-edu related sites have seen it as much?
# [voss] chrisaldrich - that's a good point, might be very targeted spam indeed.
# [voss] chrisaldrich My site it just my personal site, with no educational aspect, except maybe for my future self (: I was using the Akismet plugin, but realised it also blocked some webmentions from showing up. Instead, as of today, I disabled the public comments functionality in Known. Hopefully that will stop the deluge of essay writer spam.
# [voss] I disabled the akismet plugin at the same time.
# chrisaldrich I may have to do the same thing with one of my sites or just mothball it since it is more of a sandbox....
# chrisaldrich If you think of it, directions for disabling public comments would be a nice thing to have for the Known wiki page....
# chrisaldrich If I recall I think @jgmac1106 did it by hiding the section in CSS, but I never heard if it worked.

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# [cleverdevil] FYI, [Rose], I updated that Overcast gist with code that can now identify episode artwork as well.
# [cleverdevil] One note: Marco rate limits the OPML export, so you have to run it infrequently.
# [cleverdevil] Not sure what rules he uses, he hasn't replied to me yet in Overcast Slack.
# [cleverdevil] (I'd love to convince him to make an optional Atom/RSS/JSON feed for me to consume instead of this dirty hack!)

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# [Rose] If I see him elsewhere I'll let him know. Being on the same podcast network may have an advantage 😉

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# kisik21 [eddie]: here's some feedback about your blog's design - it's hard to separate notes with dates being so bleak they almost blend with the background and no visible separators. Could you add some visual aid to help separate several notes on your homepage?
# kisik21 that would be really cool
# [eddie] kisik21: thanks for the feedback! Yeah, I’m trying to think through a full redesign. I’ve been collecting ideas and am hoping to make things a lot of separate and distinctive once I get a good feel for my new direction

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# kisik21 I drew inspiration for my design partially from twitter - at least with the webaction buttons. The separation between notes is also stemming from there.
# kisik21 it was logical to make a stream of blocks like twitter does
# [eddie] That’s awesome, I’ve been wanting to go in a direction with some more focused colors and borders
# [eddie] A bit more personality than my current white room haha
# KartikPrabhu I don't like the "blocks" very much. there are other ways to get content heirarchy

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# [cleverdevil] [jgmac1106] I used your Known plugin as a starting point. Made some improvements!

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# [jgmac1106] [cleverdevil] that is cool, will catch up when I am back to playing. I want to figure out your monthly updates next but put kind of an academic spin to help me keep my job and #indieweb
# [jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] going to stick with WP.com for now but pain level...want the myspace experience still of changing all the things....nobody cares about plumbing if they can't choose the paint

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# [eddie] [cleverdevil] wow automatic listen posts with full cover art! Makes the wonder if I need to switch back to Overcast now! Lol
# [cleverdevil] I just emailed feedback@overcast.fm with a link to the gist, and to some examples.
# Loqi [cleverdevil] has 39 karma in this channel over the last year (84 in all channels)
# [cleverdevil] Basically asking Marco if he is 1. cool with me doing this hack 2. open to adding an RSS/Atom/JSON feed for listen history to Overcast.fm.

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# [grantcodes] Got my updated on your own site micropub client updated! Would love some people to try it out
# [grantcodes] Really need to write a post or something that shows all the features it has
# jacky [grantcodes]: s/suit/suites/ on the homepage ;)

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