نقاش المستخدم:Johannes Richter (WMDE) - ويكيبيديا

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Request for Comment: VisualEditor automatic reference names
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14:46، 22 مايو 2024 (ت ع م)
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Sub-referencing: Request for feedback
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Hello I’m Johannes from the
WMDE Technical Wishes team
. Four months ago, we reached out to the community to discuss the new
sub-referencing feature
we are currently working on. Thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts and feedback on
m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing
or in local village pump discussions!
We would like to ask for your perspective again
, because we’ve made changes to the wikitext syntax of sub-referencing, based on the feedback we’ve received and because it’s the only viable way of dealing with some technical limitations. Please visit
m:Talk:WMDE Technical Wishes/Sub-referencing#Request for feedback
to read more about our approach for
inline
sub-referencing and share your thoughts. Thanks for your effort!
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Johannes Richter (WMDE)
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15:05، 17 ديسمبر 2024 (ت ع م)
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Sub-referencing: User testing
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Hi I’m Johannes from
Wikimedia Deutschland
's
Technical Wishes team
. We are making great strides with the new
sub-referencing feature
and we’d love to invite you to take part in two activities to help us move this work further:
Try it out and share your feedback
Please try
the updated
wikitext
feature
on the beta wiki
and let us know what you think, either
on our talk page
or by
booking a call
with our UX researcher.
Get a sneak peak and help shape the
Visual Editor
user designs
Help us test the new design prototypes by participating in user sessions –
sign up here to receive an invite
. We're especially hoping to speak with people from underrepresented and diverse groups. If that's you, please consider signing up! No prior or extensive editing experience is required. User sessions will start
May 14th
We plan to bring this feature to Wikimedia wikis later this year. We’ll reach out to wikis for piloting in time for deployments. Creators and maintainers of reference-related tools and templates will be contacted beforehand as well.
Thank you very much for your support and encouragement so far in helping bring this feature to life!
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Johannes Richter (WMDE)
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14:50، 28 أبريل 2025 (ت ع م)
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Sub-referencing: Update
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Sub-referencing example
Greetings from
WMDE Technical Wishes
! In September 2025 we deployed
sub-referencing
to German Wikipedia to make re-using references with different details easier. Thanks for piloting and helping to improve the feature!
We recently published our insights and next steps in
our report
Some highlights
Over 6,000 Wikipedia articles use the new feature, with a total of over 15,000 sub-references created to date.
There are both experienced editors in featured articles (e.g.
de:Explosion des Oppauer Stickstoffwerkes
) and relatively inexperienced VisualEditor users (e.g. in
de:Schmerzhafte Muttergottes (Guido Cagnacci)
) using the feature. The majority of all sub-references (approx. 90%) are created in wikitext, yet over 300 editors have used the function in VisualEditor alone.
Workarounds like
ref
name
"Miller"
/><
sup
p. 44
sup
(in the reader view
[1] p. 44
) have been replaced entirely by sub-referencing, which means that the complete reference information – including the page number – is now visible in both the reference list and in
Reference Previews
Sub-referencing is used with
lots of different citation details
– predominantly page numbers, but also details such as chapters, paragraphs, quotes or video / audio timestamps.
What has happened since September?
We ensured that re-used sub-references actually appear as re-used in the reader view and in VisualEditor.
We've made some cosmetic changes to the reference list: Initially, multi-line sub-references (e.g. quotations) were not displayed ideally, and two-digit sub-reference numbers were not indented correctly.
In VisualEditor, we have provided a feature to choose whether changes to re-used sub-references should affect all uses of the same sub-reference or only the one currently edited.
What's next?
We will deploy sub-referencing to additional pilot wikis next week: Polish Wikipedia, Swedish Wikipdia and seven smaller wikis (
phab:T414094
). All of these projects have been notified in advance.
We are working on technical adjustments to make sub-referencing usable in all wikis that use variants of the
{{Reflist}}
template.
We are continuing to address community feedback: Among other things, we are currently exploring various ideas for visually improving reference lists with lots sub-references (e.g.
de:Liste der Straßen in Bad Honnef#Einzelnachweise und Anmerkungen
).
In addition to sub-referencing, we are looking at other reference-related improvements: We are considering general improvements to
Reference Previews
or solving issues with
automatically created reference names in VisualEditor
– there will be announcements and community consultations on this in the near future.
More information about sub-referencing
on our project page
, more about our learnings and next steps
in our report
. All the best from WMDE Technical Wishes!
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Johannes Richter (WMDE)
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15:32، 9 فبراير 2026 (ت ع م)
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Request for Comment: VisualEditor automatic reference names
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Hi, I’m Johannes from
Wikimedia Deutschland
’s
Technical Wishes team
. Apologies for writing in English. رجاء ساعد في الترجمة للغتك We are considering to work on
Community Wishlist/W17: Improve VE references' automatic names and reuse
. This has been a long-term issue for wikitext editors (see e.g.
en:WP:VisualEditor/Named references
) which has been among the top-voted wishes in several
Community Wishlist Surveys
, e.g.
2017
2019
2022
or
2023
We would like your input on the
solutions
proposed on our project page:
m:WMDE Technical Wishes/References/VisualEditor automatic reference names
. We are considering several options, which can be combined if desired by the community.
Changing the default pattern for automatically generated reference names (currently
":n"
, e.g.
":0"
":1"
...) to use the
reference type
instead (e.g.
"book_reference-1"
).
Providing a simple mechanism for communities to configure a different default name.
Generating automatic reference names based on the
domain name
(if it’s a web citation).
Generating automatic reference names based on template parameters (e.g. "title" or "last"+"first") – defined by the community.
Feedback
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Visit our project page
to read about our proposal in detail and share your thoughts
on metawiki
Please note
: We will only implement a solution if there’s clear consensus among the global community. Our intention is not to build the perfect solution, but to find a simple and lean one that alleviates the pain caused by auto generated names. We are aware that some experienced VisualEditor users might prefer an option to manually change reference names in VisualEditor, but such a UX intervention is difficult to achieve across reference types and thus out of scope for our team, we can only improve the auto-naming mechanism.
We are happy about suggestions for improving certain details of the proposed solutions. Any other feedback and alternative proposals are also welcome – even though it’s out of scope for us, it might still be relevant for future work on this topic.
Please support us interpreting consensus by clearly indicating your opinion (e.g. by using support/neutral/oppose templates). We are aware of
en:WP:NOTVOTE
, but given that we are facilitating this discussion with users from different wikis, potentially commenting in their native language, clearly indicating your position helps us avoid misunderstandings.
Thank you for participating!
Johannes Richter (WMDE)
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10:49، 19 مارس 2026 (ت ع م)
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