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This is the page to make suggestions for requested illustrations. Please comment on each others' suggestions and see if resources exist already. Comments about significance or importance are also welcome.
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At this stage, illustration means diagrams. Not photographs, charts, or maps.
Requests should be for a specific
page
(within a Wikimedia project) or
concept
If the significance or importance of the topic is not obvious, please briefly explain it.
Link to any existing free content images that could be adapted to fulfil the request.
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==Concept/[[w:Page]] (choose one)==
* '''Adaption/creation''' (choose one): (expand on concept)
* [provide links to any existing similar images] [link 2]
* Brief explanation of significance
* ~~~~
Suggestions
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Improve diagrams of bridge
trusses
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creation
/improvement/redo : The current diagramming for bridge truss types is spotty. There are some good ones and some marginal ones.
One example of a pretty important small truss, the
King post
truss:
Image:King post truss.png
... A nice clean diagram that is attractive and easy on the eyes.
Another important one (for covered bridges, for example) the
Town truss
or lattice truss.
Image:Town truss2.jpg
... taken from the original patent, not as good.
And another example, for the Pratt truss:
Image:Pratt truss.PNG
... this drawing is yet a third style of diagram, much simpler than the first. It's servicable but not as attractive as the King post.
For more examples see
Truss bridge
... there are a lot of truss types and the illustrations vary.
Significance: Trusses are a basic thing to document in an encyclopedia. Our coverage is spotty and stylistically inconsistent. This is a pretty easy project (one or two days work ought to do it once the style was chosen) compared to the above animation of a complex biological system so it might be a good one to test out process and so forth. Or, it might be one that is not a good fit, so discussing why or why not might help define this overall project even if we reject this particular one.
++
Lar
16:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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Doing a set of these may be a good one to use for newcomers as they are relatively simple to construct.
However the topic would be relatively lower on the 'importance' scale as they are specific to bridge construction only, and even then are only one type of bridge. (Comparing the interwiki links, Truss bridges has 3, whereas Action potential has 19.)
Another consideration is, could this topic be equally or even better illustrated by an actual photograph? That seems quite likely to me. (Although virtually everything benefits from an idealised illustration, some things can't really be photographed adequately)
Is that helpful? --
pfctdayelise
12:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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Yep, very (but as the coord, I ask you is the suggestion helpful in the first place to drive thinking?). I floated this as a trial but I'd point out that I'm not convinced the articles are organized correctly in this area. Trusses have structural significance beyond just bridges (although most non bridge trusses, like floor trusses or stadium roof trusses, etc, tend to be simple) and the articles are a bit of a jumble. So the 3 interwikis may be due to underrecognition. I also agree that this is very easy and maybe someone could be persuaded to bang them out without needing to get a token monetary reward. I'm not sure pictures illustrate trusses as well as diagrams (as with many mechanical things, stripping away detail often clarifies what is important. Consider
Image:TripleExpansionMed.jpg
(a picture) vs.
Image:Christopher_Columbus_whaleback_ccengine_crop.jpg
(an engraving) vs.
Image:Triple_expansion_engine_animation.gif
(animated cutaway diagram) ... (all taken from
w:Steam engine
. That is an extreme example of course but it shows how much more clarity a diagram can bring. Also consider the single cylinder diagram with annotations a bit above it. But ya. The biology one above is much more important in the grand scheme of things. ++
Lar
17:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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Yes, it was a helpful suggestion. :)
pfctdayelise
13:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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Metabolic Pathways
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Improve the
w:Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Metabolic_Pathways
: translate in more languages, draw more reactions, etc.
IGNERON
discut.
12:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
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Which specific subjects or topics? It would be good for this wikiproject to figure out a priority list: which images should be the most important, the most necessary, the most needed?
pfctdayelise
13:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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Map icons
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We have to few free map icons in a acceptable quality. See
commons:Simple map icons
commons:Category:Map icons
. We could really need them for geographical services like
Wikipedia-World
. --
Kolossos
14:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think these icons are too simple for the scope of this project. The biggest problem for these illustrations is
what
to depict not
how
to depict it. --
seav
10:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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Can you give more specific examples of what is needed? Is there a list?
Is there a comparable existing resource (perhaps copyrighted) that can be used as a reference or comparison?
Does the Open Clipart project not have anything acceptable?
--
pfctdayelise
11:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
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A comparable existing resource are e.g. the icons in Gogle Earth. They work with colors and transperancy. But they are also very commercial oriented (hotels, bars, shops, etc.). At
I found nothing. I would prefer something in KDE-style.
The problem with the simplicity of one icon can be solved if an whole icon set would be estimated. I believe it's not so easy to make a simple small icon which is understandable in the whole world.
A list with necessary icons for the Wikipedia-World-Project can found at the end of
info.php
, there are train stations, churchs, castles, manor-houses,mountains, volcanos, monuments, companies, cemetery, zoo, caves and many more. --
Kolossos
12:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
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I do not think that this problem can only solved spending Mr Greenspun's money --
134.130.68.65
23:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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Musical instrument diagrams
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We have a few great SVG diagrams of musical instruments, but there are many other instruments that could use one. Currently, we have a
drum kit
, a very nice
trombone
, a few relating to trumpets and a whole bunch about pianos (found
here
). Besides those, I haven't found anything worth using. We're surprisingly lacking in this area. I would love to see any new instrument diagrams, but specifically these are what I have in mind:
French horn
(30 Wikipedias)
- A couple good photos, no illustrations.
What we have:
Image:French horn back labelled.png
Image:French horn front labelled.png
Image:French horn mouthpiece.jpg
That's about it.
Violin
(63 Wikipedias)
- Most are photographs. A cross-section view and a full view would be nice. Maybe a whole matching series?
What we have:
Image:Violinconsruction3.JPG
Image:Violin bout cross section.png
Image:Violinschnitt.png
Image:Violin made in about 1770-numbered.jpg
Image:Violin bow parts.jpg
Image:Violin peg strings.jpg
The closest thing we have is
Image:Table violon sous presse.svg
Bagpipe
(34 Wikipedias)
- Not too much here.
What we have:
Image:Annotated stand of great highland bagpipe.jpg
Image:Swedish bagpipes built by Alban Faust.jpg
Image:Asturian pipe soplete.jpg
Image:Asturian pipe.jpg
Image:Asturian pipe roncon.jpg
Guitar
(64 Wikipedias)
- For something this popular, I would think we would have something better. Detailed closeups of the
headstock
and
neck
are needed.
What we have:
Image:Détail tête guitare.jpg
Image:Acoustic guitar parts.png
Image:Guitaranatomy.jpg
Image:Elements guitare classique.png
Image:Classical Guitar est lang.jpg
Image:Guitar headstock angle.png
Related SVGs:
Image:Fingerboard scheme.svg
Image:Guitar neck.svg
and some
outlined headstock shapes
Bassoon
(38 Wikipedias)
- One poor quality SVG lacking in detail.
What we have:
Image:Fagott-Bassoon.svg
Image:Bassoon parts.jpg
Image:FoxBassoon.jpg
Image:Praetorius bassoons.jpg
We don't even have many photographs of certain variations like the
contrabassoon
(I only found one).
These are just some suggestions, there's lots of other choices, like the
upright bass
saxophone
, or
clarinet
Maybe one or two of these could be US$15 ones since they're not too complicated. Possibly some good easy requests to start this off?
Rocket000
05:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
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Definitely good suggestions, widely relevant, and thanks for the research. --
pfctdayelise
11:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
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Tree of Life
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Commonly,
w:evolution
and
w:phylogenetics
are illustrated by a nice "tree of life"-illustration: E.g.
[1]
(it is not very pretty, but you'll get the general idea), with pictures of representative animals representing the different groups. Such an illustration would look good at the top of e.g. the evolution page compared to the primitive picture we have currently.
en:User:Kjaergaard
A library of hydraulic symbols
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Creation
: A library of
hydraulic
symbols. It would need to have at least 20-30 different basic symbols, in SVG format, done in such a way that they could easily be combined together (same size, with common elements in the same place etc; a number of symbols exists in a number of small variations and it would be senseless to have them all).
For a list of symbols see
[2]
Hydraulic symbols are (obviously) very important in hydraulics, and each article on a hydraulic component should include information about its symbol(s). However, currently, the only hydraulic symbol I know of on any Wikimedia project is
Image:Hydraulic accumulator (symbol).svg
(there are also a few hydraulic circuits, like
Image:Hydraulic circuits 300px.png
). A library of hydraulic symbols would also make it easy to draw hydraulic circuits when they are needed, and make them more uniform. Outside of Wikimedia projects, such a library could find use in circuit drawing programs.
Nikola
22:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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Quite a good idea, since they appear to be relatively simple the request could be for such a "set" of symbols that could then easily be mixed and matched to make whatever diagram was needed.
pfctdayelise
13:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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We have to clear if the symbols in the PDF are eligible for copyright (in Germany they are definitively not copyrighted). As Lupo at en or Commons --
Histo
23:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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Diagrams of vehicles
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Tugboat
Creation of diagrams of main vehicle types, then of more precise vehicle types.
The two example above illustrate what I mean : we need diagrams to explain the main parts of the vehicles. My main interest lies in ships, so I would imagine diagrams of main ship types : cargo ship, warship, fishing boat. Then of more precise types : container carrier, icebreaker, etc. A possible quality reference is Klaas van Dokkum,
Ship knowledge : a modern encyclopedia
, DOKMAR, Enkhuizen, Netherlands, 2005 (
ISBN 9080633062
), which has this kind of well-drawn diagrams. Not free though :-)
Ideally diagrams should have natural colours, should be reviewed by people who know the differents vehicle types, and possibly should allow a small view inside the vehicle (if appropriate) to see key features (eg layout of seats in an airplane, engine and cargo in a ship, etc.)
le Korrigan
bla
15:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
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Yes, very good, but do you have any specifics in mind? :) --
pfctdayelise
07:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry, small language issue, what do you mean by "specifics" ? Do you mean particular types of vehicles, or features I would like to see represented ?
le Korrigan
bla
10:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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I meant particular types of vehicles.
pfctdayelise
13:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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In this case, I was thinking at cargo ships (general cargo ship, bulk carrier, container ship, RoRo ship, car carrier, livestock carrier, reefer, oil tanker, chemical tanker, LPG/LNG carriers, heavy-lift ship) ; passenger ships (ferry and fast ferry, liner, cruise ship) ; specialised ships (icebreaker, cable ship, dredge, semi-submersible, offshore vessel, oceanographic/research ship) ; service ships (tugboat, mooring boat, lightship, pilot boat, fireboat) ; naval ships (corvette, frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battlehsip, aircraft carrier, attack submarine, missile submarine, minesweeper/minehunter, intelligence ship, assault ship) ; fishing vessels (standard fishing boat, trawler, tuna fishing boat, oyster fishing boat) ; some historical ship types can also be illustrated like galleys, junks, Viking boats, Atakebune, ships of the line, clippers... see
w:fr:Liste des types de navires
le Korrigan
bla
14:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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Vehicle Animated components
Motors -- 2 stroke, 4 stroke, electric, and jet turbine
Vehicle drive train -- 2wd and 4wd
Gearboxes(manual automatic), diffs, cooling systems etc
A Quick look through commons turns up some nice static diagrams(eg,
Image:Four stroke cycle spark.png
Image:FrankMotor.png
) but no animations
Gnangarra
13:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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Wow, thanks for giving all those examples; sounds like you know your ships. I agree we're lacking in this area. Maybe it would be better if we did diagrams of major components the many ships share? And maybe a comparison chart? I'm reminded of first learning about the types of ships playing
Battleship
as a kid. :) I think I remember seeing an engine animation somewhere...
Rocket000
07:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Ah, here we go:
Commons:Category:Animation of Engines
Rocket000
07:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Yes, drawing parts of them would be useful too. We can think at an engine room floor, a compass bridge arrangement, the steering mechanism, cranes and cargo handling equipment, the sensors (sonar, radar, etc.) and weapons (self-defense & offensive) on naval ships, etc. But overall diagrams are indeed very useful in order to explain the basics of shipping in articles. I find myself missing a good diagram of a cargo ship in order to develop the corresponding article. So I have to write three-four paragraphs just to say waht one picture would describe elegantly. One of the only diagrams we have are
Image:Lod Schema.png
(which is very poor : completely inaccurate, not corresponding to an actual ship type, arrows are misplaced... all wrong) and
Image:Tugboat diagram-en.svg
(nice but depicts an outdated tugboat and has been drawn by someone who doesn't know much about tugs, so it mixes straightforward labels with more complex ones).
le Korrigan
bla
10:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
(and I also learnt ship types by playing battleship :-))
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You missed tanks.
Geni
20:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Well, I miss most non-water-based vehicles, really ! For land-based vehicles, the list can be quite long as well, from kick scooters to tanks, including rubbish collection trucks or ambulances :-)
le Korrigan
bla
00:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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Regarding ships, I would like to see a comparison of the various maximum sized ships that are in the world -
panamax
seawaymax
aframax
Handymax
and
suezmax
. I was thinking something along the lines of
this image
for the world's largest planes.
Witty lama
13:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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Pictures of body functions
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Some preferably schematic moving pictures that explain the mechanism of:
breathing
coughing, an asthma attack
vomiting
the peristaltic movement in the intestines
ovulation
the signal exchange in nerves
the action of the heart
the reflex of the pupil (eye)
a renal colic
I understand that pictures like these would be beneficial in education.. I have been asked if such material is available by a teacher of nursing.
GerardM
13:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Some of those would make great animations (though I wouldn't want to see vomiting ;)
Rocket000
17:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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For understanding what vomiting is, it really helps :)
GerardM
09:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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An ovulation one in German:
de:Bild:Vorgaenge im eierstock.png
--
pfctdayelise
12:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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Breathing:
Image:Diafragma ademhaling.gif
--
pfctdayelise
20:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
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b:First Aid
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Adaption
: The images for
head-tilt chin-lift
needs to be redone showing the force exerted on the head and chin (ie. direction to tilt and lift), also showing the final position with the jawline perpendicular to the ground. This could be an animation, or two images. Also a diagram of the oral airway inserted properly - an animation showing the rotation during insertion would be excellent, but could also be several images. An animation for insertion of the oral airway would be ideal since it's extremely difficult to learn without hands-on training, and very difficult to explain in text. A simple animation of say 5 frames could do the job nicely.
Image:Atemwege zu.JPG
and
Image:Atemwege frei.JPG
show the head-tilt chin-lift, but have no labels, and don't include how to do it.
Creation
: Echoing the above request: a diagram showing an
asthma attack
stroke/TIA
, and a graph of the relative concentrations of blood gasses during
hyperventilation
as a function of time and breathing rate.
Importance
:The head-tilt chin-lift is probably the most crucial technique in first aid, but is a tad difficult to explain in such a way that candidates do it properly. A clear diagram or animation should help readers understand the technique
and why it's so important to do it right
The other images are needed to properly illustrate concepts that are lengthy when put into words; a well-done diagram in these cases could replace entire sections of text. They're difficult concepts to grasp, being among the more advanced in the book. These would obviously be useful on other projects, specifically Wikipedia. Multiple languages would be ideal, but I'm only requesting English text for now; translations would be easy to do later.
Mike
lifeguard
@en.wb
16:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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I'm not sure where it stands in the current training regime, but I prefer the jaw-thrust maneuver rather than the head-tilt jaw-thrust maneuver. -
24.63.243.7
18:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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That technique is no longer used by lay rescuers because it doesn't work.
Mike
lifeguard
@en.wb
16:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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Textile arts
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"Double crochet" and "treble crochet" have entirely different meanings in the U.S. and U.K., but crochet schematics are international.
This would be a boon to the underdeveloped textile arts area. For example, a standard international schematic notation exists for crochet but the terminology is inconsistent. Photographs are often unclear so good schematics are essential to any technical discussion of the subject. An article on one traditional motif recently got highlighted at the English Wikipedia's main page as a "Did you know" spotlight.
[3]
I'd be glad to bring someone with the proper graphics skills up to speed if they're willing to help, and I'll even offer a reward: help out and I'll make some crochet for you. Cheers,
Durova
20:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Which specific topic or concept do you want to request for?
pfctdayelise
11:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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Crochet notation would be a great place to start. I want to create a list for the basic stitches and motifs. International symbols would be a great adjunct to the swatches I'm creating.
Durova
04:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
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Euglena
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Would it be possible to get a better diagram created of the structures of
euglenas
? The two existing diagrams (above) leave much to be desired. Euglenas are important organisms for understanding the
evolution of the eye
. Copyrighted diagrams for reference:
[4]
[5]
[6]
[7]
Kaldari
21:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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I added the third one. It's not great, but it's better than the other two.
Rocket000
17:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks, I didn't know about that one. If it had thicker lines and some labels, it wouldn't be half bad.
Kaldari
15:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
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It's an SVG, presumably thickening the lines would not be too hard? I wasn't able to tell what things corresponded to what though. That might be a challenge to whoever were to try to add label lines/numbers. BTW what was wrong with the second one other than it being monochromatic? Knowing what is bad about these would help drive improvement. ++
Lar
16:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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The second illustration would be fine if Euglena was a character in South Park. And I think the first one is from the Simpsons actually.
Kaldari
01:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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lol. That's a good way to put it. :-)
Rocket000
19:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
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Maps
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w:Grand Canal (China)
and
w:Great Wall
w:Ottoman Empire
and
w:Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire
w:Hundred Years' War
w:List of sovereign states
and the "
List of sovereign states in ----
" articles, especially in ancient times: this would be amazing
Many of the
w:Crusades
articles
Amazon
Nile
, other major rivers
Better map of home regions of
w:Taiwanese aborigines
All sorts of
w:history of Ireland
article:
w:Early Christian Ireland
w:Early Medieval Ireland 800–1166
w:Early history of Ireland
, etc.
Oceans -
commons:Indian Ocean
commons:Arctic Ocean
commons:Atlantic Ocean
commons:Pacific Ocean
w:Red Sea
Image:Red Sea.png
is the best we have now, but it's not very detailed
w:Reconquista
Image:Spanish reconquista.gif
is small and in German only
w:Indian Wars
- would be great to have an overview map
w:Japanese Canadian internment
- maps of camps, significant places, etc.
w:Hudson Bay
- current best map,
Image:Hudsonbay.png
is pretty small and not detailed
commons:Jerusalem
- many images and some lovely old maps (particularly of the
Old City
) but none of modern Jerusalem (same for
w:Tel Aviv
University campus maps
- incredibly useful, often can be replicated based off information online, but rarely found on wiki - see, for example,
w:Category:University of Michigan campus
, in which more than two dozen articles could be improved with a simple map
Thanks! ----
Neutrality
07:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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AFAIK, this project is not for maps. Sad but with such as small budget, you have to be restrictive anyway. For the Red Sea, User:Sting is working on it so the result should be nothing less than amazing :-)
le Korrigan
bla
10:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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For map help:
commons:Category:Maps#Resources
commons:Category:Commons maps
en:Category:Wikipedia maps
For Jerusalem maps, and resource links for more:
commons:Category:Maps of Jerusalem
--
Timeshifter
12:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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super battle ship yamato class
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it needs pictures
so does the battleship yamato
— The preceding
unsigned
comment was added by
70.250.0.254
talk
15:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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I believe he referring to the
Yamato class battleship
and
Japanese battleship Yamato
. Maybe one for the class of ships, but I don't think we should request illustrations for individual ships.
Rocket000
03:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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I think he's actually referring to
the Super Yamato class
, it would be very helpful to have an illustration of the ship's design.
Parsecboy
18:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hm, I have created a line drawing of IJN Musashi, Yamato class, last month. Maybe it serves the purpose. Otherwise formulate your request more precise please.
Alexpl
12:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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w:Cue sports
(or rather, various articles thereunder)
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Creation
: The cue sports articles, especially on carom games, are mostly either imageless or have generic and often inappropriate images (e.g. of historical, extinct games, or of antique tables)
commons:Category:Billiards
has various images, a number of which
I've created myself
, but I only have a pool table and related equipment, not a carom table.
The significance is self-evident; the articles are typical Wikipedia articles on notable topics, and need illustrations. The main
w:Cue sports
article links to most of the more specific (non-bio) articles under the topic's rubric; see also
w:Category:Cue sports
. Many bio articles in this topic are also imageless for the obvious reason that it's hard to obtain photos of notable, modern people that are not subject to copyright; see
w:Category:Cue sports players
for the main category, though there is also
w:Category:Cue sports non-player personalities
which has a few referees, announcers, etc.
SMcCandlish
talk
] [
cont
‹(-¿-)›
09:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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Well, I don't think illustrations of people are a good idea (I'm sure you could use en.WP's fair-use clause if you can't find any free photos of players).
I'm not sure what a carom table is, but
it seems we have this area pretty well covered. We have
Image:Pool effects.svg
Image:How to place the cue on white ball to make effect at billard.svg
Image:Five-pins table layout.gif
Image:Rack 8-pool.svg
and
Image:Cue parts.jpg
(thanks to you :) along with some specific shot layouts. [
Edit:
I looked up
carrom tables
, and it does look like we could use a nice illustration.]
Rocket000
03:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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I have a carrom table and could do you some better photographs (closeups?) if you tell me what you'd like. Please contact me on Commons. -- --
MichaelMaggs
23:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
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Some brainstorming
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Basic explanation or illustration of how this example products work; Computer parts (cpu, motherboard, memory), air conditioners, car components (transmission, etc.) various city electrical grid components, various consuction techniques for buildings, the phone network, all the variety of machine that convert/amplify/concentrate energy, how basic cosmic object operate such as stars or events like supernovas, how stainless steel and other important products are made, explanation of the operation of any factory/plant (example: sewer treatment), how various materials get reinforced or how extra strong material are constructed and so forth.
Just some brainstorming if you guys are looking for ideas. Thank you and hope the above was useful.
76.10.142.66
16:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for those suggestions! I would also like to see more computer/electronics-related diagrams. Right now we have a very basic, but well-done, computer one (
Image:Personal computer, exploded 4.svg
), a diagram of a joystick (
Image:Joyopis.svg
), and another nice one about floppy discs (
Image:Floppy disk internal diagram.svg
). Looking through my old PC repair text book, I recall finding the motherboard layout image very useful. Something like
w:Image:ASRock K7VT4A Pro Mainboard Labeled English.png
but a little clearer and more generic.
w:Image:Motherboard diagram.svg
is useful (if it even renders correctly) but not what I'm looking for (here's a
PNG
). One of each of the major
form factors
would be nice (
AT
ATX
, and
BTX
).
Comparison
drawings could easily be made. For some other components, we have nothing. Like for
power supply
. (I remember being angry with Wikipedia because I couldn't find any wiring diagrams when I was taking an on-line exam ;) Now they have
wikitables to illustrate this
, but it could really use an illustration.) All of these would be great not just for WP but for Wikibooks as well (troubleshooting and what not). Of course, your other suggestions are great too, this just happens to be an interest of mine. :)
Rocket000
02:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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w:Fermentation (wine)
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Creation
of a diagram showing the chemical process of fermentation, more specifically the process outlined in the
third paragraph of the "Process" section
. This relates to the information in the
w:Glycolysis
and
w:Ethanol fermentation
but we are looking for a more simple diagram relating to this particular winemaking process.
Copyright examples: Looking for a little bit of an in-between of
#1
and
#2
with more of a direct tie in to the text of that third paragraph.
I feel this illustration would be a valuable took in helping to explain the complex chemical reactions involved in making wine.
Agne
10:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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In general, chemical process can be illustrated with simple chemical structures and arrows (as seen in
w:Glycolysis
), however, maybe a simpler and less chemistry-oriented diagram could be made (if possible). I'm just not sure what more there is to illustrate other than chemical structures and their transformations. I would like some on
cellular respiration
in general, though (
anaerobic respiration
in this case).
Rocket000
03:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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Zoological Illustrations
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There's already a lot of zoological illustrations, but, of course, we could use more. Did you have any specific animal(s) in mind? We need more than just a section heading for a request. Please be more specific. Thanks.
Rocket000
02:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
P.S. It looks like I created this section, I did not. Just responding to a section header..
Rocket000
02:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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Magic Bullet diagram
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I would like to propose a diagram illustration in honor of
Kwantus
(Hume Smith), who passed away. Kwantus created the article about the
Single bullet theory
on the English Wikipedia. This article, more than any other I can think of, is crying out for a diagram. Here's an
example
from an outside website.
Kaldari
20:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
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The
French WP article
on this uses a few illustrations, though they don't look so great. A new illustration would really top of that Featured Article, but only 3 WPs have a page on the subject (according to the interwiki links). IMO, it's notable enough for all of them to eventually have it, but I don't know if there's enough demand for this right now. There's a ton of really basic topics that need illustrations making this somewhat of a lower priority, but who knows? :)
Rocket000
01:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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I've added a digram to the page. Nothing fancy but does the job. Any comments or improvement and un-welcome but will be listened to.
Friendly Schemes to teach/learn a language
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We need such images, especially for Wikiversity and ease free language teaching/learning.
see
this existing project
(about 2 hundred images with english meaning)
see :
page about animals
feelings
verbs
etc.
see also :
how I used them to teach French
A such graphic project need to create about 200 - 400 images, by one skilled graphist, expressing simply (quickly draw in comic/manga style) the most used words (objects, actions, animals, ...). And this will probably need more than 40 or 80 US$ (1? 2? 4US$ / image ?).
Look at:
– there you find public domain cliparts
With who take contact ?
Kasuga :
commons
ja
(creator of Wikipe-tan in manga style :
LadyofHats :
commons
de
(best SVG graphist on commons :
Niabot :
commons
de
(Seems a great SVG-Manga graphist :
, EN-3
Yamavu :
commons
- have made some SVG
?? others
I support more Kasuga because his characters are clearly link to Wikimedia and free knowledge share, the manga style (schematic draw) being especialy welcome for this use, but do he work in SVG ? For LadyofHats, I never seen him draw manga characters, but he have amazing skills, and already fully work in SVG format. For Niabot, I don't no if he can talk english, and he just made one amazing SVG-manga.
how to process
The graphist should first show us 5 images, with the english word on the bottom. If the result is great, he get the task. Images should be :
Format :
SVG is strongly encouraged, of course
(but PNG may be vertorized by volunteers later)
Basic :
drawing should be basic( avoid to have to many details = parasites). Images of such
on this page
are really fine, doesn't need more.
Style :
your set of image have to be in the same graphic style (I encourage the Manga style) ;
Words :
be based on the Basic English wordlist (
Basic_English_alphabetical_wordlist
200_Picturable_words
).
Background :
transparent background need, or white one ;
English :
the english work should be display on the bottom with a clear font ;
Size :
each image should be in a square (ex: size 300px/300px) ;
Name :
Images should have a conventional name, ex with keyword "free" : Free-banana.svg ; Free-tree.svg, etc.
Advancement :
you should keep a wikipage with the list of the words you plan to do, and enlighting those that you already made.
59.115.182.219
07:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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Supporting this request, I would also add that images don't need to be only for illustrating the meaning of a word, but they can be also very useful if they illustrate a language learning task, for example, a picture with an attractive city map for a learning task about orientation on the streets. Other pictures which can be very useful for vocabulary or writing learning are drawings with lots of small details. The details should be connected in some way, to make a tematic unity. The images should always be interesting or funny, to make the learning experience more attractive. Sorry, they were just some suggestions. --
Javier Carro
16:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not sure if they should always be funny. This might be off-putting for adult learners.
Arthena
18:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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I agree with Javier Carro, for children and adults as well, images should be : funny and clear. After what I encourage
to avoid too lots of small details
, which are semantic parasites. Images of such
on this page
are really fine, doesn't need more.
210.203.61.15
18:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Well, images with details aren't necessarily "semantic parasites", for example: an image of a person siting
on
a bench,
beside
a child playing
with
a dog,
in front of
a tree, having
behind
a lake; is very useful for practising prepositions. Language learning with pictures isn't limited to learn the names of basic objects. You are referring to basic level LL. Furthermore,
visual diagrams
are also very useful and efficient for vocabulary learning if the learner is interested on a particular field. --
Javier Carro
09:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
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yes, but thes images should not display 3 dogs, all differents, with 3 colors each, with differents eyes, 4 tree on the backgrounds, a beautiful sea, somes birds, and a road with 2 cars : this is useless. The image should display : a child(Subject) + behind (the word) + something (a basic context). No more.
210.203.61.15
12:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
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We can now ask both LadyofHats and Kasuga to make 5 try with :
_ apple ; cat ; swimming ; behind of ; library ;
This encouraged to be in SVG, but If Kasuga make a great job in PNG, with easy colors effects, that's will be easely vectorizable.
210.203.61.15
08:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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pfctdayelise Need here
Hello pfctdayelise, can you propose a "price by image" ? I think that such basic images don't need 25US$ each, especially when the request is about one hundred to 6 hundred images, depending on what the graphist will be able to make. I encourage a rate about 4US$ each => 100 = 400US$. But, according to the fact that few graphist are attrackted by this Greenspun project, it may be need to up it.
What price can you confirm your are able to paid before to let Kasuga or LadyofHats involve themselves ?
210.203.61.15
09:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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Niabot
says he is capable of the english language at an advanced level (EN-3). Have you contacted this person already? I for my part also uploaded some of my work on
Commons
, also doing vector works from time to time. --
Yamavu
11:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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2 magnifying glass diagrams.
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See User:Erl's request at the
Magnifying glass talk page
. --
Jeandré
, 2008-01-18
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Brakes
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Drum brake
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We do not seem to have any diagram of a drum brake, which is a fundamentally important piece of mechanics. Several
excellent
commercial
illustration
are
on
the
web
Kaldari
19:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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Disc brake
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Used in most modern automobiles. We have these three
very basic
unlabeled
diagrams
of how a disc brake brakes, but no diagram of the brake itself with components labeled. Here are
some
diagrams
on
the
web
Kaldari
19:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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Master cylinder
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While we're at it, we could use a diagram of a master cylinder as well. Here
are
some
nice
commercial
diagrams
. (Those are all dual/tandem master cylinders, BTW, which is the most common type found in automobiles.)
Kaldari
19:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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Ancient seige engines
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It would be great to have some free drawings of ancient artillery and seige engines for wikipedia. These were the ones I was thinking of:
Mangonel
— somewhat akin to the one
here
, but lifesize obviously
Onager
— like
this one
(An onager has a sling at the end, a mangonel has a bucket)
Ballista
— something like
this one
Trebuchet
— based on
this
Battering ram
— I'd like two different images for this one, one of the classic "Guys carrying a big log" version and one similar to
this
Siege tower
— a bit like the one shown this in
this
pic
thanks.--
Phoenix
wiki
21:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Non-optical telescopes
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Gamma-ray telescope
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The articles on
Gamma-ray astronomy
have no diagrams. How about a diagram of a gamma-ray telescope, perhaps similar to
one of
these
fine
illustrations
? (Yes, I know the NASA one is freely usable, but unfortunately, it's also the crappiest of the examples.)
Kaldari
23:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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X-ray telescope
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Ditto for
X-ray astronomy
. Here are
some
examples
of
commercial
illustrations
. (As usual, the NASA illustration is the crappiest.)
Kaldari
23:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Infrared telescope
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Ditto for
Infrared astronomy
. Infrared telescopes aren't really that unique technologically, so I would say this one is lower priority than the others. Here are
some
examples
of
commercial
illustrations
. (These are mostly based on the Spitzer Space Telescope.)
Kaldari
23:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Canal Lock
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Creation
As far as I can tell there's no good animation or sequence of images showing how a
canal lock
works.
Images we have: these
w:en:Image:Canallock.png
Image:How the Chittenden Locks work.jpg
Image:Canal-sequence.jpg
diagrams which are not very clear and a huge number of photos of various bits of canal. Animations elsewhere
I would have thought this was a fairly basic transport topic for an encyclopedia to cover so we should try to do it well.
JMiall
18:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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Animation(s) of electron transitions for luminescence and phosphorescence
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Creation
: An educational animation, explaining what an electron transition is in a complex, how it works, why you need a photon to have a transition and why luminescence and phosphorescence occur (for the latter also forbidden transitions will have to be included). It could consist of a very long explaining animation, or maybe several shorter ones, all explaining one aspect.
Several images with examples
but no animations of this type as far as I can find them.
Luminescence and Phosphorescence is a hard but important physics / chemical occurrence, and is hard to understand without additional illustrative material. It might be relevant for several wikibooks, including books about physics, chemistry and explanations about the fundamentals of quantum mechanics, but also very much on subjects in Wikipedia.
Effeiets
anders
21:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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w:Sacrococcygeal teratoma
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Adaption
: Adapt the widely published illustration of the 4 Altman types of sacrococcgyeal teratoma
small image
found after quick search.
Lycaon
08:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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The Altman types have ramifications for diagnosis, prenatal and perinatal management, and surgical treatment of this kind of tumor. Also, an illustration is less scary and more informative than a photo or radiology image.
66.167.135.215
17:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
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Architectural Elements
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Creation
: Illustrate various architectural elements like a
parapet gable
triclinium
insulae
dog-leg stairs
and
balcony
to be used on pages in
w:Category:Architectural elements
and
w:Architectural engineering
Examples
: Wikipedia page on
Trench warfare
shows
Trench construction diagram 1914
parapet in trench
from educational text on warfare;
Carryduff Designs on parapet walls
Tour of stairs
from Universal Housing Design booklet at Queensland Government site;
insulae
from Ancient Town-Planning, by F. Haverfield on Gutenberg.org;
CHAP 1... L'architecture gréco-romaine de l'époque classique à l'empire
from Sciences auxiliaires de l'antiquité on www.cliohist.net;
Roman Triclinium or Dining Room
Triclinium
from The Free Dictionary;
Estate Gate
from Imagination in Metals
Purpose
: Educational texts on architecture are filled with high-quality diagrams. Many Wikipedia pages use photographs to illustrate architectural elements. However, most photographs on these topics tend to obscure instead of illuminating concept.
DutchTreat
15:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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Wikisource has at least one book with illustrations in that field:
Dictionary of French Architecture from 11th to 16th Century
has not only hundreds of illustrations, they are also well-ordered on
commons:Category:Viollet-le-Duc
. A lot of them although are too specific to be usefull as generalizations, but it could be a further point of reference. --
84.190.5.188
00:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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w:Sailing
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Creation
: Illustrate basic sailing techniques,
w:points of sail
and knots (like the
w:Reef knot
w:Stopper knots
).
Examples
sheet bend
knot
from DIXON KEMP, Manual of Yacht and Boat Sailing and Architecture (11th and final edition, 1913);
Physics of Sailing
Purpose
: Sailing and yachting topics are best understood from diagrams. A picture of the process over time captures the movement of the boat and sail against the wind. Also, knots made with rope are easiest seen as a diagram.
DutchTreat
15:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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w:Richter Scale
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Creation
: Diagram the Richter magnitude scale.
Examples
Richter Scale @ PrivateLine.com
Richter Scale @ Dipteris.unige.it
Purpose
: This earthquake scale is of interest in science education and used in stories from natural disasters. Frequently the Richter Scale index appears in mainstream news stories describing any earthquake which results in casualties.
[8]
[9]
DutchTreat
16:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
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Surely a diagram relating to the absolute magnitude scale would be of more use, as it is of use for describing earthquakes of all magnitudes (not just <~6.8)?
Verisimilus
19:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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I would certainly support a diagram of the
w:Moment magnitude scale
or the Richter Scale. The current Wikipedia page for the moment magnitude scale is mostly a mathematical definition. It clearly could benefit from a diagram.
DutchTreat
19:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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Cystic fibrosis
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creation
of diagram illustrating different types of mutations (stop codon, degradation in endoplasmatic reticulum, decreased conductance, ...)
No free alternative.
"Cystic fibrosis is one of the most common life-shortening, childhood-onset inherited diseases. In the United States, 1 in 3900 children are born with CF. One in twenty-two people of European descent carry one gene for CF, making it the most common genetic disease in these populations."
Steven Fruitsmaak
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19:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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Abdominal aortic aneurysm
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creation
of diagram illustrating a typical infrarenal aortic aneurysm
No free alternative.
In the U.S., the incidence of AAA is 2-4% in the adult population. An abdominal aortic aneurysm occurs most commonly in older individuals (between 65 and 75), and more in men and smokers. The most important complication of an abdominal aortic aneurysm is rupture, which is most often a fatal event.
Steven Fruitsmaak
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19:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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Ediacara biota
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Creation
: This featured article currently lacks a suitable leading image. An image depicting an Ediacaran community would greatly enhance the article and make it more accessible. The
current image
is horrendously out of date and at odds with the current interpretation of the biota.
I have only seen up-to-date images in the scientific literature; the most recent suitable paper is provided. E-mail me if you need me to send PDFs. Many further articles concern themselves with one specific organism, and I'm not aware of a recent depiction of the full ecosystem.
Retallack, G.J. (2007).
"Growth, decay and burial compaction of Dickinsonia, an iconic Ediacaran fossil"
(PDF)
Alcheringa: An Australasian Journal of Palaeontology
31
(3): 232.
The Ediacara biota were the first organisms to attain large size and relative complexity. Appearing in the fossil record just before animal fossils became common in the
Cambrian explosion
, the organisms remain something of a mystery. They may belong to an extinct kingdom - a "failed experiment" in life - or be the predecessors of the animal groups we are familiar with today.
Verisimilus
20:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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Military Campaigns
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diagrams to describe military campaigns of great historical value. Overlay on a geographical map the places, time frames and people of different wars.
100 Years' War
-> example
100 Years War
from ParadoxPlace.com;
w:Ottoman casualties of World War I
-> example
w:World War II casualties
w:Mongol invasions of Japan
-> example
Mongols maps
from Emory.edu;
map
from rs143 @ UPenn
DutchTreat
19:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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3D modelling of
w:Poverty Point
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On the German Wikipedia we are looking right now into the possibilities to create a 3D model of the archaeological site
w:Poverty Point
in Louisiana, USA. As a
state historic site
, with archaeologists from several universities working there, most existing images and illustrations are unfree (unlike other sites that are administrated by the National Park Service where all works by federal employees are in the public domain). Possible uses of the model would be all kinds of looks into the site as it was some 3500 years ago - and ultimately the option to create an animated flight over the site and its spectacular location on a small bluff over the flood plane of the Mississippi River basin. See:
de:Wikipedia:Grafikwerkstatt/Grafikwünsche#Poverty_Point
and the already existing schematic map and the tentative draft. --
h-stt
!?
06:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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This looks really interesting. Unfortunately I don't read German. This looks like it might be a more complex than average request -- do you think that is true? Also, is there someone already interested on working on it? It would be great if someone could summarise the discussion...! thanks --
pfctdayelise
15:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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Existing requests
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en:Category:Wikipedia requested diagram images
has hundreds of existing diagram requests. Some of those might be worthy for inclusion in this list, and some of the requests here might be added to the corresponding Wikipedia article with the {{reqdiagram}} tag. --
Beland
20:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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Wow, that's mega useful. How did I not think of that before??! Thanks so much.
pfctdayelise
15:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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Improve spinal cord illustrations
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The illustrations associated with the spinal cord
[10]
enWikipedia article could use reworking. Specifically, the existing illustration of the anterolateral (ALS) system should be redone (the one labeled "Somatosensory tracts"), along with the spinal cord development image (labeled "Spinal Cord Development of the Alar and Basal Plates").
137.54.14.179
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Hearing science diagrams
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Creation
(mostly): We need clean svg diagrams for hearing science topics. Right now we're predominantly using Gray's plates which is very clearly a problem!
I have a bunch of diagrams, graphs etc for which I need free alternatives. The graphs are probably easier to create since they're generally pretty simple. As well, I can get micrographs for which a diagram is needed so lessen the burden on any illustrator who wants to take this on.
Cross-section of the cochlea (more detail than
File:Cochlea-crosssection.png
is needed — in particular, the reticular lamina is missing!)
Detailed
anatomy of the Organ of Corti
Schematic anatomy of the middle and inner ears (separate diagrams)
Schematic diagram of the cochlea showing the helicotrema, and basilar membrane movement at varying frequencies, including complex sounds.
Schematic diagram of the olivocochlear bundles and their synaptic connections at the cochlea
Stiffness gradient of the basilar membrane and showing the rows of hair cells - physical and schematic
Schematic diagram of the basilar membrane showing inner and outer hair cells and a representative sample of spiral gangilia
Alternate versions showing Bill Rhode's experiment using Mössbauer spectroscopy, and a few others
Cutaway schematic of the cochlea with the modiolus labelled
Contractile properties of the outer hair cells
Frequency tuning curves, audiograms, psychoacoustic tuning curves and so on
Kemp echoes/otoacoustic emissions (active & passive)
Without these (and more),
b:Sensory Neuroscience: Hearing and speech
will not be readable.
I'm of course happy to provide assistance with research, crappy hand-drawn diagrams to work from, my non-free diagrams and more detailed specifications as required. Thanks  —
Mike
lifeguard
@en.wb
23:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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w:Geothermal heat pump
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Creation
: illustrations of the process flow of geothermal heat pumps, showing closed horizontal, closed vertical, open, and direct exchange loops, as well as building heat exchange and hot water pre-heat.
Something similar to
[11]
[12]
[13]
[14]
and the first couple of pages of
[15]
Most articles on geothermal heat pumps start with the same 3 or 4 images, because it is so much easier to follow descriptions with reference to these diagrams. This article is likely to have growing importance among energy articles in the coming years. This idea seems to fit perfectly the first aim of this project: "Facilitate the creation of diagrams that would otherwise be unlikely to receive attention due to their topic or complexity"
Ytrottier
18:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
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Neuroanatomy of Pain
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Creation
Pain
gets 2,000 hits a day and needs an illustration of the pathway from injury to brain. I can provide all necessary information and supporting images.
Anthony
18:38, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Concept/
w:Biogeochemical cycle
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: Make a standard view of the earth, onto which the different biogeochemical cycles could be added.
File:Oxygen_Cycle.jpg
File:Carbon_cycle-cute_diagram.svg
File:Water_cycle.png
File:Nitrogen_Cycle.jpg
and
w:File:Phoscycle-EPA.jpg
(the Sulfur cycle is missing one altogether.
Biogeochemical cycles are absolutely critical in understanding how the world functions. The carbon and nitrogen cycle are particularly significant today and the diagrams currently illustrating them are inadequate (the carbon one is ok but the nitrogen one and the others are shockingly bad!).
This
would be an excellent source to use for the nitrogen cycle. I have thought about trying myself but have neither the time nor the skills to do so unfortunately. If someone takes up this request I would be more than happy to help find sources to use in the diagrams. Please drop me a note on
w:User talk:Smartse
if you need me as I probably won't be checking this often.
Smartse
23:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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