⚓ T131132 Re-label the "Save" button to be "Publish", to better indicate to users the outcomes of their action
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Re-label the "Save" button to be "Publish", to better indicate to users the outcomes of their action
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Mar 29 2016, 1:45 AM
2016-03-29 01:45:27 (UTC+0)
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Description
From feedback we get repeatedly as a development team from interviews, user testing and other solicited and unsolicited avenues, and by inspection from the number of edits by newbies not quite aware of the impact of their edits in terms of immediate broadcast and irrevocability, that new users don't necessarily understand what "Save" on the edit page means. Yes, there's some blurb underneath, but (a) it's not clear, (b) it's (necessarily) filled with jargon, and (c) it's in the traditional "blurb blindness" spot where no-one pays attention.
In user testing this has been particularly highlighted as a point of confusion for new users. Even though "user-generated content" sites are a lot more common today than they were when Wikipedia was founded, it is still unusual for most people that their actions will result in immediate, and effectively irrevocable, publication.
Many other wikis use "Publish", notably including Wikia in their fork of MediaWiki since (?) 2008 or so. Most other similar tools use "Publish" for this action, and reserve "Save" for server-side drafts (something we're unlikely to provide right now, as discussed elsewhere). Re-labelling won't solve all issues, but it will more clearly and obviously declare to the user the nature of the action they are about to take. It may reduce slightly the rate at which newbies make their first change, but hopefully because they are more informed and accepting of what they are doing.
However, changing though trivial in terms of code will be a very visible, and possibly mildly disruptive, change to a lot of existing users' workflows, so we should consider carefully this change and not just rush in.
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Related Changes in Gerrit:
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Change Save to Publish
mediawiki/extensions/Translate
master
+13
-13
Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on final Wikipedias
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+0
-2
Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on Wikipedias except de/en
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+2
-1
Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on most public wikis
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+2
-1
On public wikis, show "Publish" rather than "Save" on edit pages
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+9
-0
EditPage: Allow the 'save' button's label to be 'publish' for public wikis
mediawiki/core
master
+15
-1
Vary the 'save' labels to 'publish' for public wikis
mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor
master
+20
-3
[WIP] Use "publish" instead of "save" in toolbar and save-dialog
mediawiki/extensions/VisualEditor
master
+36
-36
EditPage: Use 'publish' rather than 'save' for the publish button
mediawiki/core
master
+36
-41
i18n: Provide new "publish" strings for extra translator time
mediawiki/core
master
+6
-0
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T163302
Consider to re-label "Save changes"/"Publish changes" to be "Save & Publish"
Resolved
Ladsgroup
T161367
Re-label the "Save" links to be "Publish" in structured data inline edit links on Wikidata.org
Resolved
Jdforrester-WMF
T131132
Re-label the "Save" button to be "Publish", to better indicate to users the outcomes of their action
Resolved
Whatamidoing-WMF
T134580
CLs to communicate the Save/Publish change
Resolved
Jdforrester-WMF
T139033
Re-label the "Save" (or "Publish") button to use "Publish page" when creating and "Publish changes" when modifying an existing page
Resolved
Jdforrester-WMF
T142609
Change i18n in the Android app to be "Publish" rather than "Save" where appropriate
Resolved
Mhurd
T142610
Change i18n in the iOS app to be "Publish" rather than "Save" where appropriate
Resolved
DLynch
T183901
Reword post edit notification to reflect save->publish change on desktop
Resolved
matmarex
T185071
The tooltip and label for the publish (save) button do not match
Resolved
xSavitar
T191104
Reword post edit notification to reflect save->publish change on mobile
Resolved
Amire80
T293854
Change "save" to "publish" in several Growth messages
Mentioned In
T245790: Newcomer tasks: post-edit dialog
T195724: Adapt Save-, Preview- and Cancel buttons to new version (No. 8)
rESCCc582ea2f74ab: Change "save" to "publish" everywhere
T202052: Change "save" to "publish" in all messages in the TwoColConflict interface
T183725: Update language used in MediaWiki:Flow-edit-header-submit and similar for "publish" wikis
T175953: OOUI: Support Responsive Toolbars
T142609: Change i18n in the Android app to be "Publish" rather than "Save" where appropriate
T133464: Access Request
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rMW347ec3352801: EditPage: Show a different label for the button on create vs. modify
rMW74fa6071c2e5: EditPage: Allow the 'save' button's label to be 'publish' for public wikis
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Platonides
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I don't think all of above has been addressed, Dereckson. There is a lot of noise, but the main points seem to be on
T131132#2270369
Still, as a mediawiki user I don't mind too much about the button caption, since
I don't use it
. But, do not dare
to touch the accesskey! (which would be tempting). My button is simply
alt-s
, and I'm sure there are lots of wikipedians with a strong muscle memory for that (not to mention the convenience of its location).
Currently, the access keys are:
Save page → s
Show preview → p
Show changes → v
The actions are
ave
and
review
, which lend itself better to remember then than
Publi
and
review
I personally like the idea of naming it
Save & something
, also mentioned by
@Alsee
, be that
Save and publish
Save and share with the word
… whatever.
This has several benefits:
Still using the Save word lets us link with the past: people remembering (or looking at written down notes) the button to press, paper books, outdated documentation, etc. It's simpler to see how it was renamed.
We can keep the message names
savearticle
and
accesskey-save
, so any downstream wiki that customized them won't lose their changes.
Also, I miss more info regarding the results of usability tests that prompted this change.
In
T131132#2242598
@Dispenser
wrote:
This was noted by
the usability back in 2009
. "Save often" and other software (WordPress) using "Publish" were cited as reasons.
I see that in 2010 Bianca mentioned Wordpress. However, Tram and Mrs Howie were «Familiar with old "save" interface, thrown off by "publish"» (they apparently
renamed the button with js
but I think they may have added more things to it)
In
T131132#2434213
@Whatamidoing-WMF
wrote:
Risker, that's not the only study that has looked at this. AFAICT the most recent was just a few months ago (and involved six people,
which is the industry standard
, for better or worse).
@Whatamidoing-WMF
could you link to those studies?
PS: DYK that this button has been using "Save page" since
the first phase3 revision
, by Lee Daniel Crocker 13 years ago? And
Magnus Manske original code
(15 years ago) used "Save changes"
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I don't think
should be merged until there are sufficient +1s attached to it. If the idea has merit and is worthy of being merged, there should be a concrete demonstration of this on the Gerrit change. That shouldn't be a difficult hurdle to clear.
James F. has been pushing for this change, both filing this task and creating the various Gerrit changesets. This is great, but I think we absolutely must avoid the appearance that this change is being pushed through over objections. That never ends well.
In
T131132#2561735
@Base
wrote:
In
T131132#2434213
@Whatamidoing-WMF
wrote:
Risker, that's not the only study that has looked at this. AFAICT the most recent was just a few months ago (and involved six people,
which is the industry standard
, for better or worse).
I do not know where such standards are applicable but I am pretty sure it is not the case with such a diverse community as we are. We have almost 300 live projects all in a different language (and Mediawiki supports even more), as I have mentioned above we have people with completely different backgrounds in any possible ways. I am pretty sure that usually industries are dealing with more narrow groups.
I'm very sympathetic to this argument.
Regarding the matter at hand, I'm not really inclined to care much about out-of-date documentation, in print or otherwise. I agree that Wikipedia is not a social media site, but I don't find the arguments against switching (cf.
T131132#2270369
) from "Save changes" to "Publish changes" to be very compelling. I'm inclined personally to give a +1 to
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T139033: Re-label the "Save" (or "Publish") button to use "Publish page" when creating and "Publish changes" when modifying an existing page
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Aug 25 2016, 4:52 PM
2016-08-25 16:52:18 (UTC+0)
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This was rescheduled for morning SWAT again today. I'm uncomfortable deploying it as my google-fu has failed to turn up all of the discussions relevant to addressing the points raised here—sorry to be a roadblock here—I mostly haven't been involved in this ticket so that's a bit strange.
I've asked
@Jdforrester-WMF
to update this ticket to point to discussions in which some of the specific points that were raised here are addressed.
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Change 296746 merged by jenkins-bot:
Vary the 'save' labels to 'publish' for public wikis
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In
T131132#2581101
@MZMcBride
wrote:
James F. has been pushing for this change, both filing this task and creating the various Gerrit changesets.
Just following-up on the long-term desire. :-) And yes, I was quite surprised how little of this had ever been captured in Phab/Bugzilla such that I had to create the tasks. It's been discussed many times; I believe I was in a panel discussion about it (and other related issues to editors understanding their liability and un-spilt-milk-ability) in Wikimania 2006, for instance.
This is great, but I think we absolutely must avoid the appearance that this change is being pushed through over objections.
Absolutely. This is why we announced it months ago in hundreds of venues, waited to give people time to consider and give feedback, and considered whether the feedback was sufficiently compelling as to decide not to do this (which is my totally-fun-and-not-in-any-way-controversial job
;-)
). We did, several people have (above and elsewhere), and I have decided.
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T131132#2581092
@Platonides
wrote:
do not dare to touch the accesskey! (which would be tempting).
We haven't (as you can see in the code, at
rMW74fa6071c2e5: EditPage: Allow the 'save' button's label to be 'publish' for public wikis
for this change, and
rMW347ec3352801: EditPage: Show a different label for the button on create vs. modify
for the related "change"
vs
. "page" bit). I agree that breaking accesskeys is profoundly anti-accessibility and should be avoided unless there's a really strong reason.
I personally like the idea of naming it
Save & something
, also mentioned by
@Alsee
, be that
Save and publish
Save and share with the word
… whatever.
I've discussed this before a few times, but I can't immediately see where, so here goes:
PS: DYK that this button has been using "Save page" since
the first phase3 revision
, by Lee Daniel Crocker 13 years ago? And
Magnus Manske original code
(15 years ago) used "Save changes"
Yup, though I think it was briefly "Save article", for a year or so in between those two edits, and hence the message key name).
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Change 306303 merged by jenkins-bot:
On public wikis, show "Publish" rather than "Save" on edit pages
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T131132
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T131132#2592983
@gerritbot
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Change 306303 merged by jenkins-bot:
On public wikis, show "Publish" rather than "Save" on edit pages
Temporarily reverted with
and
, it seems.
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T131132#2581092
@Platonides
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@Whatamidoing-WMF
could you link to those studies?
Unfortunately, most of them haven't been published (or they published their main points, and omitted information about this particular issue).
I'm trying to collect some more details. However, it's probably worth being clear about the best of the likely results: "publishing the studies" probably means uploading a slidedeck that provides little more than the conclusions. The raw data is mostly video of in-depth interviews with indentifiable living people, and it is unlikely that the WMF has permission to post them online.
At this point, it might be possible to produce an (incomplete[1]) list of studies with entries that look something like this:
March 2016 study with new users. Structured interviews with six people. All were either uncertain of the button's effect, or wrong. Three said they thought that 'save' would make a private copy on their own computer. After discovering how it worked, one volunteered that the button ought to say 'publish' instead.
And... I'm not sure that a list like this would be very helpful. If someone has trouble believing that half the newbies could be confused by this button, then that person is likely to still have trouble believing that half the newbies could be confused by this button, despite now having a list of dates in which newbies said they were confused by this button.
[1] Most of the people who ran the earliest studies haven't worked for the WMF for years now. I therefore assume that some studies will not be found.
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T142610: Change i18n in the iOS app to be "Publish" rather than "Save" where appropriate
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The most recent study to cover this question is reported in a slide deck here:
The end result is that five out of five editors agreed that "Publish" indicated the finality and public nature of the action (so, get your edit right before you click this). One of the five thought that "Save" and 'Publish' had similar meanings, and the other four seemed to think that "Publish" was clearer on these key points.
On the cons, which will probably interest editors more than the reasons in favor of making the change, two were mentioned:
One editor speculated that "Publish page" might be harder to translate than "Save page"; however, in talking to translators, it turns out that the reverse is true. "Save" (in a computer sense) can be translated in multiple ways in some languages, whereas "Publish" is quite straightforward, due in part to publication being a key concept in copyright and libel laws all over the world.
One editor said that "Publish page" might make new editors think that they were publishing a magazine or a book. Whether it is undesirable to have the button subtly communicate a serious or organized purpose, such as publishing a book, is IMO a matter of personal opinion.
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Change 337530 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester):
Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on most public wikis
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Change 337531 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jforrester):
Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on Wikipedias
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Change 337530 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config] Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on most public wikis
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OK, this is now live on all wikis except Wikinews (which had a local change a few months ago instead), and Wikipedias (which will come later).
Jdforrester-WMF
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T161367: Re-label the "Save" links to be "Publish" in structured data inline edit links on Wikidata.org
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2017-03-25 03:39:49 (UTC+0)
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Change 345399 had a related patch set uploaded (by Catrope; owner: Jforrester):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on Wikipedias except de/en
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Change 345399 merged by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on Wikipedias except de/en
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Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations)
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T131132
); set wgOOUIEditPage false everywhere (duration: 00m 57s)
RHo
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T142609: Change i18n in the Android app to be "Publish" rather than "Save" where appropriate
Apr 4 2017, 1:21 PM
2017-04-04 13:21:15 (UTC+0)
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Just to summarize a ~week long
discussion
in hewiki:
Most users support changing the save button (locally) to "Save & Publish" [he: שמירה ופרסום] (rather than "Publish changes" [he: שמירת שינויים]). The main points regarding the suggested changes: This is more clear and less confusing,it has similar length, and preserves the old name to some degree for older help pages.
We will update locally the Publishchanges message, but to keep consistency with other projects, we suggest mediawiki/other projects, to consider a similar change ("Publish changes" => "Save & Publish")
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In
T131132#3188868
@eranroz
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Just to summarize a ~week long
discussion
in hewiki:
Most users support changing the save button (locally) to "Save & Publish" [he: שמירה ופרסום] (rather than "Publish changes" [he: שמירת שינויים]). The main points regarding the suggested changes: This is more clear and less confusing,it has similar length, and preserves the old name to some degree for older help pages.
This feels like a conversation that would have been better to have more broadly, to benefit all wikis and languages. Should we make a new task to discuss that idea? (Other suggestions have been made.)
We will update locally the Publishchanges message, but to keep consistency with other projects, we suggest mediawiki/other projects, to consider a similar change ("Publish changes" => "Save & Publish")
Please do not encourage wikis to over-ride the default translations, it takes years to fix things later.
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@eranroz
, do you want me to talk to Legal about this for you? In principle, changes to this button need to be reviewed by the Legal team
before
changes are made locally.
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T163302: Consider to re-label "Save changes"/"Publish changes" to be "Save & Publish"
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Hanay
What do you want to say?
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T131132
: Switch submit button from save to publish on enwiki (duration: 02m 43s)
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Last wiki is now done, save for follow-up.
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see also discussion at
; may need a subtask
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T185071: The tooltip and label for the publish (save) button do not match
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T183901: Reword post edit notification to reflect save->publish change on desktop
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Change 337531 abandoned by Jforrester:
Show 'Publish' not 'Save' on final Wikipedias
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Done in December by a different patch, whoops.
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is the rationale for the "Save"-->"Publish" decision documented anywhere on wiki? I KEEP hearing from editors during interviews and talkpage discussions that this is confusing and that they have problems with it. I'd like to be able to point them to a description of the design rationale--they don't have to agree with the rationale, but at least they should be able to see that WMF has based the decision on research rather than whim.
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Thanks
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, it does. One reasonably quick option for the VE team might be to copy/paste the task description above (and the link to the slide deck) to a page on MW.org. I could even do that myself, if I knew where they wanted to put it and if I knew that the description was still accurate.
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@Capt_Swing
, I wonder if editors are really confused about what it means. The feedback I've seen in recent months mostly amounts to new people (e.g., students) saying that they want to save the page privately or semi-privately, and that they don't actually want to be publishing it (where the whole world can see it). They seem to grasp that "Publish page" means that the whole world will be able to see it.
From what I'm hearing, "I'm confused by this button" actually means "I want this button to do something different than it does". Is that consistent with what you're hearing?
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@Whatamidoing-WMF
sorry for the mega-delayed response. I don't know if I can characterize whether the response I'm hearing is "I don't like this" vs. "this is confusing for me" vs. "I believe this will be confusing for others", but I get the sense that it's a mix of all three.
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If you get more information, please share. I'll be interested.
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Change 597989 had a related patch set uploaded (by Amire80; owner: Amire80):
[mediawiki/extensions/Translate@master] Change Save to Publish
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[mediawiki/extensions/Translate@master] Change Save to Publish
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