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Follow-up to the creation in
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testcommonswiki: Remove some settings which are no longer needed
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Drop custom testcommonswiki groups
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close testcommonswiki
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T213295
Close TestCommons from production
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T333574
Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError: Error 1146: Table 'commonswiki.wbt_type' doesn't exist when using Special:NewItem on Commons
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T336418
[TECH] Improve error signaling for unsupported Item entity type in Special:NewItem page on Commons
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T388618: Add support for mediawikiCategories to QuickCategories
T378216: Update test commons to support usage tracking testing
T368477: [QA task] UploadWizard: comparing testing env
T364228: Parsoid read views show empty SDC data
T333574: Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError: Error 1146: Table 'commonswiki.wbt_type' doesn't exist when using Special:NewItem on Commons
T290671: [M] Create a stable interface policy for Commons MediaInfo RDF
T285873: test-commons structured data UI seems broken (making it hard to test things)
T285274: Error: Invalid statement: value type mismatch
T250525: Lots of files on testcommons can't be viewed
T215541: Adding testcommonswiki to the replicas
T197616: Create a production test wiki in group0 to parallel Wikimedia Commons
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T378216: Update test commons to support usage tracking testing
T197616: Create a production test wiki in group0 to parallel Wikimedia Commons
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Another extension to Dec 2019, per another conversation with Greg G.
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Close and delete TestCommons from production by the end of September 2019
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Close and delete TestCommons from production by the end of December 2019
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Another extension to Dec 2019, per another conversation with Greg G.
(just publicly ack'ing)
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When is it going now? ;)
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When is it going now? ;)
We don't know.
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The wiki is scheduled to be closed and deleted in December 2019, so don't get too attached to it!
It's over a year past that date now...
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Is this wiki still needed?
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@Jdforrester-WMF
Is this wiki still needed?
Probably. You should ask the Structured Data team, on whose behalf I requested its creation and removal.
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Could you answer this question?
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@Jdforrester-WMF
Is this wiki still needed?
Probably. You should ask the Structured Data team, on whose behalf I requested its creation and removal.
This wiki is no longer needed. Thanks for checking in with us.
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@Jdforrester-WMF
Is this wiki still needed?
Probably. You should ask the Structured Data team, on whose behalf I requested its creation and removal.
This wiki is no longer needed. Thanks for checking in with us.
Excellent, thanks for confirming. Marking as unstalled.
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Change 893058 had a related patch set uploaded (by Zabe; author: Zabe):
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] close testcommonswiki
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[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Drop custom testcommonswiki groups
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[operations/mediawiki-config@master] testcommonswiki: Remove some settings which are no longer needed
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I closed the wiki now since by now basically all of it's traffic were spambots.
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That depends on whether the intention is still to delete the wiki completely or if closing it is sufficient.
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Okay, thanks. IMO deletion should happen as there's no use for the contents of the test wiki.
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Okay, thanks. IMO deletion should happen as there's no use for the contents of the test wiki.
I agree with that.
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Have we ever deleted a wiki (from a database point of view). I remember years ago we tried, but I don't remember if we actually did it, I think we simply left it as "delete" but never actually went ahead and deleted the database (which I am fine with as
testcommons
is only 137M on disk - so probably not worth the risk of trying to delete it for the first time.)
Maybe
@Jdforrester-WMF
remembers that discussion we had years ago? :)
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We even have a guide for doing this:
We have deleted some wikis in the past. The Klingon Wikipedia (tlhwiki) would be an example.
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We even have a guide for doing this:
We have deleted some wikis in the past. The Klingon Wikipedia (tlhwiki) would be an example.
I was referring to the actual database deletion, which is also mentioned in the second line of that wiki page as something usually not worth doing:
When we delete a wiki, the steps outlined below need to be performed, which makes MediaWiki claim that the wiki does not exist. Actually deleting the data from all of the database servers would be quite a bit more complicated, and is usually not worth doing.
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Have we ever deleted a wiki (from a database point of view). I remember years ago we tried, but I don't remember if we actually did it, I think we simply left it as "delete" but never actually went ahead and deleted the database (which I am fine with as
testcommons
is only 137M on disk - so probably not worth the risk of trying to delete it for the first time.)
Maybe
@Jdforrester-WMF
remembers that discussion we had years ago? :)
Yeah, this was "delete from MariaDB", not "delete from ExternalStore".
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Just a note, test-commons might be used in a limited fashion for upcoming charts related work where test & test2 are not sufficient.
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Partialy resolved by closing the wiki.
It was decided anyway that wikis wont be deleted anymore.
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Partialy resolved by closing the wiki.
It was decided anyway that wikis wont be deleted anymore.
Was it actually closed? I still see it on s4.dblist
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Partialy resolved by closing the wiki.
It was decided anyway that wikis wont be deleted anymore.
Was it actually closed? I still see it on s4.dblist
Yes. Closing a wiki basically just means locking a wiki from edits or any other write operations for anyone besides stewards, sysadmins, global interface editors and staff. It does not delete anything from the db.
Closing a wiki has no real advantage from a technical perspective, we are mostly doing it when wikis have no longer anything happening on them besides vandalism in order to reduce the workload of fighting that vandalism.
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@Zabe
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Partialy resolved by closing the wiki.
It was decided anyway that wikis wont be deleted anymore.
Was it actually closed? I still see it on s4.dblist
Yes. Closing a wiki basically just means locking a wiki from edits or any other write operations for anyone besides stewards, sysadmins, global interface editors and staff. It does not delete anything from the db.
I am aware of those implications
Closing a wiki has no real advantage from a technical perspective, we are mostly doing it when wikis have no longer anything happening on them besides vandalism in order to reduce the workload of fighting that vandalism.
I don't know what is the exact procedure but I would have expected it to go to
closed.dblist
. For us (DBAs) it does make a difference, because if it keeps showing in up s4.dblist it means we still have to do maintenance on it (mostly schema changes) whereas if it is on closed dblist we don't have to.
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@Zabe
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Partialy resolved by closing the wiki.
It was decided anyway that wikis wont be deleted anymore.
Was it actually closed? I still see it on s4.dblist
Yes. Closing a wiki basically just means locking a wiki from edits or any other write operations for anyone besides stewards, sysadmins, global interface editors and staff. It does not delete anything from the db.
I am aware of those implications
Closing a wiki has no real advantage from a technical perspective, we are mostly doing it when wikis have no longer anything happening on them besides vandalism in order to reduce the workload of fighting that vandalism.
I don't know what is the exact procedure but I would have expected it to go to
closed.dblist
. For us (DBAs) it does make a difference, because if it keeps showing in up s4.dblist it means we still have to do maintenance on it (mostly schema changes) whereas if it is on closed dblist we don't have to.
It ist part of
closed.dblist
. But since we do not want to break read's on closed wikis, we still keep them in their db section dblist and (at least in my understanding) they are also supposed to get schema changes (since not applying them to closed wikis would cause accessing them throwing exceptions within a few months).
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Got it, thanks for the explanation
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I noticed that there are still a lot of auto created accounts on TestCommons
even though only stewards & sysadmins should be able to create a local account on closed wikis (compare e.g.
).
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I noticed that there are still a lot of auto created accounts on TestCommons
even though only stewards & sysadmins should be able to create a local account on closed wikis (compare e.g.
).
See
T378216
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