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Apr 25 2024, 11:04 PM
2024-04-25 23:04:45 (UTC+0)
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Referenced Files
F57535184: viwiki.txt.gz
Sep 24 2024, 11:25 PM
2024-09-24 23:25:47 (UTC+0)
F57535182: metawiki.txt.gz
Sep 24 2024, 11:25 PM
2024-09-24 23:25:47 (UTC+0)
F57503178: T363538-enwiki-cleanupTitles.bz2
Sep 12 2024, 2:33 PM
2024-09-12 14:33:12 (UTC+0)
F57503171: T363538-enwiki-cleanupTitles.filtered
Sep 12 2024, 2:33 PM
2024-09-12 14:33:12 (UTC+0)
F57503090: T363538-enwiki-namespaceDupes.take2
Sep 12 2024, 1:54 PM
2024-09-12 13:54:57 (UTC+0)
F57503089: T363538-enwiki-namespaceDupes.take1
Sep 12 2024, 1:54 PM
2024-09-12 13:54:57 (UTC+0)
F57496041: T363538-zhwiki-cleanupTitles.zst
Sep 10 2024, 2:22 PM
2024-09-10 14:22:20 (UTC+0)
F57495961: T363538-jawiki-cleanupTitles.zst
Sep 10 2024, 2:09 PM
2024-09-10 14:09:43 (UTC+0)
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Description
See
(LangCom has decided that this is not their problem at
Possibilities include:
Accept that the English Wikipedia is going to get screwed. This seems seriously unwise and likely to incite a user revolt.
Create the wiki at some other name like "mos-x-deconflict.wikipedia.org" (using the BCP47 private subtag syntax is probably the least bad). This would work, probably without major changes, but doesn't feel right.
Create the wiki at mos.wikipedia.org and add hacks to the dumpInterwiki script in
MediaWiki-extensions-WikimediaMaintenance
so, either only for enwiki or for all wikis mos: doesn't become an interwiki. I've written a patch for this locally, and it's similar to what we already do for Swedish ("s:" isn't an interwiki on Swedish Wikipedia because they abbreviate "saint" as s:t), but that caused problems like
T177913
and probably others.
Convert the MOS: enwiki pseudo-namespace to a real namespace (which overrides interwikis), and do something similar with WikimediaMaintenance to add an interwiki with some other name like "mos-x-deconflict"
Someone on enwiki suggested making interwiki prefixes case-sensitive and having "mos": point to the project while "MOS:" is a pseudo-namespace. This isn't how either concept currently works, and will probably break things elsewhere
Something else I haven't thought of?
EDIT 2024-09-09: Current working plan is outlined at
T363538#10121857
. Briefly: add MOS as a "real" namespace on most wikis which contain "MOS:xxx" pages which will ensure existing "MOS:xxx" links don't break. Then fix some bugs with wikibase and CirrusSearch when namespaces and interwikis conflict, add a new parser function to be able to unambiguously create a language link/interwiki when there is a conflicting namespace, and then add moswiki as an interwiki.
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Related Changes in Gerrit:
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Add new core parser functions {{#iwlink}} and {{#langlink}}
mediawiki/core
master
+119
-0
Rename {{#iwlink}}/{{#langlink}} to {{#interwikilink}}/{{#interlanguagelink}}
mediawiki/core
master
+21
-21
Missing.php: Improve detection of interwikis in certain cases
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+20
-8
Pass language links as TitleValue, not as strings
mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase
master
+10
-2
ApiParse: don't reparse language link titles
mediawiki/core
master
+29
-8
ParserOutput::collectMetadata(): fix handling of links
mediawiki/core
master
+62
-18
Skin: don't reparse language link titles
mediawiki/core
master
+90
-8
Add a new namespace for MOS on fawiki
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+3
-0
Elevate pseudo-namespace MOS to a real namespace on enwiki
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+2
-3
Elevate pseudo-namespace MOS to a real namespace on most wikis which use it
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+26
-1
Add capability to override the interwiki prefix used
mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase
master
+40
-8
Add messages for Moore interwiki override
mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages
master
+4
-0
Don't clobber "MOS:FOO" prefix for Manual of Style when Moore Wikipedia is created
mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMaintenance
master
+49
-5
WIP: Add wmf-config changes for mos: interwiki hack
operations/mediawiki-config
master
+35
-1
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Deal with Manual of Style pseudo-namespaces conflicting with Mooré Wikipedia
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Xaosflux
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Confusing request left for enwiki community at:
- can someone clarify there in a way that is very clear to editors about what is changing, what is breaking, etc.
First read seems to be asking for editors to update many many pages with 1 day notice.
stjn
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Sep 11 2024, 3:44 PM
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@Xaosflux
: it refers to simple
[[MOS:]]
[[MoS:]]
links. Those would break when the namespace is created. Not to
[[MOS:ABCD]]
etc., those can be left as is.
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Thank you for the update!
Pppery
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T374555: Support a base page for each namespace
Sep 11 2024, 4:28 PM
2024-09-11 16:28:42 (UTC+0)
cscott
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For benefit of deployers:
See previous scripts at
T363538#10131953
and postmortem comments from
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
at
T363538#10134428
, in particular:
In
T363538#10134428
@Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
wrote:
make sure you run the maintenance script in a server-side
tmux
or
screen
session in case your connection dies
namespaceDupes
without
--add-prefix
or
--add-suffix
will probably say “Oh noeees” at the end, that’s an indication that the prefix or suffix is needed for at least one title (
MOS:
) :)
when actually running
namespaceDupes
, you may as well include
--add-prefix
directly, it’s not necessary to first run the script without it (the prefix is only added when needed anyway)
namespaceDupes
will probably take a couple of minutes but not
too
long (and there should be a steady stream of output)
cleanupTitles
will take a while (it goes through the whole
page
table!) and be quite chatty while it runs, just leave it running
based on the zhwiki run, I’d estimate it should take just under half an hour
its estimate of the total number of pages isn’t totally accurate, so don’t panic if the output crosses “100% done” (zhwiki finished at “104.20% done” – just give it a few more moments) or finishes “early” (bnwiki finished with “99.77% done”), it’s fine
if you want to post its output on Phabricator you’ll definitely have to compress it (try
zstd -19
, and if that’s not enough, maybe even
bzip2
These are the commands Lucas recommends for the enwiki deploy:
mwscript namespaceDupes enwiki --source-pseudo-namespace MOS --dest-namespace
126
--move-talk --add-prefix
T363538/ --fix
tee T363538-enwiki-namespaceDupes
mwscript cleanupTitles enwiki
tee T363538-enwiki-cleanupTitles
If you want a dry run first, remove
--fix
from
namespaceDupes
and add
--dry-run
to
cleanupTitles
. (Though a
cleanupTitles
dry run is going to take just as long as the real run, I think, so honestly I wouldn’t bother with that. But for
namespaceDupes
it could be useful.)
gerritbot
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Sep 12 2024, 1:29 PM
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Change #1072300 had a related patch set uploaded (by C. Scott Ananian; author: C. Scott Ananian):
[mediawiki/core@master] Skin: don't reparse language link titles
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Change #1071067
merged
by jenkins-bot:
[operations/mediawiki-config@master] Elevate pseudo-namespace MOS to a real namespace on enwiki
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T363538#10140642
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/ --fix | tee ~/
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-enwiki-namespaceDupes
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--fix 2>&1 | tee ~/
T363538
-enwiki-namespaceDupes.take2
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enwiki outputs:
namespaceDupes with prefix at
F57503089
crashed with MOS:_OVERLINKING (we saw this issue with underscore prefixed names on aswiki as well)
namespaceDupes with suffix at
F57503090
cleanupTitles - with progress messages filtered
F57503171
; full log bzip2'ed
F57503178
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T363538
-enwiki-cleanupTitles
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Here's the list of special cases on enwiki:
MOS: -> MOS:T363538/ (alternate)
MOS:: -> MOS:T363538/: (alternate)
MOS::HEADINGS -> MOS:T363538/:HEADINGS (alternate)
MOS:_OVERLINKING -> MOS:OVERLINKING/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:all-caps -> MOS:All-caps/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:co -> MOS:Co/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:col -> MOS:Col/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:collapse -> MOS:Collapse/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:disambiguation -> MOS:Disambiguation/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:layout -> MOS:Layout/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:music -> MOS:Music/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:overlink -> MOS:Overlink/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:time -> MOS:Time/T363538 (alternate)
MOS:x86 -> MOS:X86/T363538 (alternate)
MOS: -> MOS_talk:/T363538 (alternate)
and
('MoS:ABBR') to ('Broken/MOS:ABBR')
('MoS:ABB') to ('Broken/MOS:ABB')
('MoS:ACRO') to ('Broken/MOS:ACRO')
('Mos:amp') to ('MOS:Amp')
('MoS:BIO') to ('Broken/MOS:BIO')
('Mos:bio') to ('MOS:Bio')
('Mos:bold') to ('Broken/MOS:Bold')
('Mos:caps') to ('Broken/MOS:Caps')
('MoS:CAPS') to ('Broken/MOS:CAPS')
('MoS:COMMA') to ('Broken/MOS:COMMA')
('MoS:CT') to ('Broken/MOS:CT')
('MoS:CURRENCY') to ('Broken/MOS:CURRENCY')
('Mos:dabrl') to ('MOS:Dabrl')
('Mos:DAB') to ('Broken/id:_3949249')
('Mos:Dab') to ('Broken/id:_3949265')
('MoS:Dab') to ('Broken/id:_54822247')
('Mos:dab') to ('Broken/MOS:Dab')
('MoS:DAB') to ('Broken/MOS:DAB')
('Mos:DASH') to ('Broken/id:_57299288')
('MoS:DASH') to ('Broken/MOS:DASH')
('MoS:DATARANGE') to ('MOS:DATARANGE')
('MoS:DATERANGE') to ('Broken/MOS:DATERANGE')
('Mos:dates') to ('Broken/MOS:Dates')
('Mos:date') to ('Broken/MOS:Date')
('MoS:DATE') to ('Broken/MOS:DATE')
('Mos:disambig') to ('MOS:Disambig')
('Mos:dl') to ('MOS:Dl')
('Mos:DOB') to ('Broken/MOS:DOB')
('Mos:DP') to ('Broken/id:_3949243')
('Mos:Dp') to ('Broken/MOS:Dp')
('MoS:DP') to ('Broken/MOS:DP')
('Mos:dp') to ('MOS:Dp')
('MoS:D') to ('Broken/MOS:D')
('MoS:EDITORIAL') to ('Broken/MOS:EDITORIAL')
('MoS:EGG') to ('Broken/MOS:EGG')
('Mos:ethnicity') to ('Broken/MOS:Ethnicity')
('Mos:film') to ('Broken/MOS:Film')
('Mos:first') to ('MOS:First')
('Mos:Flag') to ('Broken/id:_74828646')
('Mos:flag') to ('Broken/MOS:Flag')
('Mos:genitive') to ('MOS:Genitive')
('Mos:hash') to ('MOS:Hash')
('MoS:Headings') to ('Broken/id:_57903205')
('Mos:headings') to ('Broken/MOS:Headings')
('MoS:HEADINGS') to ('Broken/MOS:HEADINGS')
('MoS:Heading') to ('Broken/MOS:Heading')
('Mos:head') to ('Broken/MOS:Head')
('MoS:HEAD') to ('Broken/MOS:HEAD')
('MoS:HYPHEN') to ('Broken/MOS:HYPHEN')
('MoS:IMAGES') to ('Broken/MOS:IMAGES')
('Mos:imgloc') to ('MOS:Imgloc')
('Mos:islamhon') to ('MOS:Islamhon')
('MoS:J') to ('Broken/MOS:J')
('Mos:layout') to ('Broken/MOS:Layout')
('Mos:lds') to ('MOS:Lds')
('Mos:leadimage') to ('MOS:Leadimage')
('Mos:lead') to ('Broken/MOS:Lead')
('Mos:link') to ('MOS:Link')
('Mos:lq') to ('MOS:Lq')
('MoS:L') to ('Broken/MOS:L')
('MoS:MATH') to ('Broken/MOS:MATH')
('Mos:milterms') to ('MOS:Milterms')
('MoS:MUSIC') to ('Broken/MOS:MUSIC')
('MoS:NAMES') to ('Broken/MOS:NAMES')
('Mos:names') to ('MOS:Names')
('Mos:Neo') to ('Broken/MOS:Neo')
('Mos:nopipe') to ('MOS:Nopipe')
('MoS:NUM') to ('Broken/MOS:NUM')
('Mos:order') to ('Broken/MOS:Order')
('Mos:overlink') to ('Broken/MOS:Overlink')
('MoS:PIPE') to ('Broken/MOS:PIPE')
('Mos:pn') to ('MOS:Pn')
('Mos:poss') to ('MOS:Poss')
('Mos:puffery') to ('Broken/MOS:Puffery')
('MoS:PUNCT') to ('Broken/MOS:PUNCT')
('Mos:quotename') to ('MOS:Quotename')
('Mos:ref') to ('MOS:Ref')
('MoS:RJL') to ('Broken/MOS:RJL')
('Mos:rt') to ('MOS:Rt')
('Mos:RT') to ('MOS:RT')
('Mos:seaofblue') to ('MOS:Seaofblue')
('Mos:time') to ('Broken/MOS:Time')
('Mos:TITLES') to ('Broken/MOS:TITLES')
('MoS:TITLE') to ('Broken/MOS:TITLE')
('Mos:title') to ('MOS:Title')
('Mos:TM') to ('Broken/id:_23617928')
('MoS:TM') to ('Broken/MOS:TM')
('Mos:') to ('Broken/Mos:')
('MoS:') to ('Broken/MoS:')
('MoS:T') to ('Broken/MOS:T')
('Mos:tvproduction') to ('MOS:Tvproduction')
('Mos:ul') to ('MOS:Ul')
('Mos:unlinkdates') to ('MOS:Unlinkdates')
('MoS:UNLINKYEARS') to ('Broken/MOS:UNLINKYEARS')
('MoS:WORDSASWORDS') to ('Broken/MOS:WORDSASWORDS')
('MoS:WORDS') to ('Broken/MOS:WORDS')
('MoS:Words_to_watch') to ('Broken/MOS:Words_to_watch')
('Talk:MoS:ABBR') to ('MOS_talk:ABBR')
('Talk:MoS:ABB') to ('MOS_talk:ABB')
('Talk:MoS:ACRO') to ('MOS_talk:ACRO')
('Talk:Mos:amp') to ('MOS_talk:Amp')
('Talk:Mos:bio') to ('MOS_talk:Bio')
('Talk:MoS:BIO') to ('MOS_talk:BIO')
('Talk:Mos:bold') to ('Broken/Talk:Mos:bold')
('Talk:MoS:CAPS') to ('MOS_talk:CAPS')
('Talk:MoS:COMMA') to ('MOS_talk:COMMA')
('Talk:MoS:CT') to ('MOS_talk:CT')
('Talk:MoS:CURRENCY') to ('MOS_talk:CURRENCY')
('Talk:Mos:dabrl') to ('MOS_talk:Dabrl')
('Talk:Mos:dab') to ('Broken/Talk:Mos:dab')
('Talk:Mos:DAB') to ('MOS_talk:Broken/id:57665624')
('Talk:Mos:Dab') to ('MOS_talk:Broken/id:57665626')
('Talk:MoS:Dab') to ('MOS_talk:Dab')
('Talk:MoS:DAB') to ('MOS_talk:DAB')
('Talk:Mos:DASH') to ('MOS_talk:Broken/id:57665623')
('Talk:MoS:DASH') to ('MOS_talk:DASH')
('Talk:Mos:dates') to ('MOS_talk:Dates')
('Talk:Mos:date') to ('MOS_talk:Date')
('Talk:MoS:DATE') to ('MOS_talk:DATE')
('Talk:Mos:disambig') to ('MOS_talk:Disambig')
('Talk:Mos:DOB') to ('MOS_talk:DOB')
('Talk:Mos:DP') to ('MOS_talk:Broken/id:57665629')
('Talk:Mos:dp') to ('MOS_talk:Broken/id:57665649')
('Talk:Mos:Dp') to ('MOS_talk:Dp')
('Talk:MoS:DP') to ('MOS_talk:DP')
('Talk:MoS:D') to ('MOS_talk:D')
('Talk:Mos:film') to ('MOS_talk:Film')
('Talk:Mos:Flag') to ('Broken/Talk:Mos:Flag')
('Talk:Mos:flag') to ('MOS_talk:Flag')
('Talk:Mos:hash') to ('MOS_talk:Hash')
('Talk:Mos:headings') to ('MOS_talk:Headings')
('Talk:Mos:head') to ('MOS_talk:Head')
('Talk:MoS:HEAD') to ('MOS_talk:HEAD')
('Talk:MoS:HYPHEN') to ('Broken/Talk:MoS:HYPHEN')
('Talk:MoS:IMAGES') to ('Broken/Talk:MoS:IMAGES')
('Talk:Mos:imgloc') to ('MOS_talk:Imgloc')
('Talk:MoS:J') to ('MOS_talk:J')
('Talk:Mos:layout') to ('MOS_talk:Layout')
('Talk:Mos:lds') to ('MOS_talk:Lds')
('Talk:Mos:link') to ('MOS_talk:Link')
('Talk:Mos:lq') to ('MOS_talk:Lq')
('Talk:MoS:L') to ('MOS_talk:L')
('Talk:MoS:MATH') to ('MOS_talk:MATH')
('Talk:Mos:milterms') to ('MOS_talk:Milterms')
('Talk:MoS:MUSIC') to ('MOS_talk:MUSIC')
('Talk:MoS:NAMES') to ('Broken/Talk:MoS:NAMES')
('Talk:Mos:names') to ('MOS_talk:Names')
('Talk:Mos:Neo') to ('MOS_talk:Neo')
('Talk:Mos:nopipe') to ('MOS_talk:Nopipe')
('Talk:MoS:NUM') to ('MOS_talk:NUM')
('Talk:Mos:order') to ('Broken/Talk:Mos:order')
('Talk:Mos:overlink') to ('MOS_talk:Overlink')
('Talk:MoS:PIPE') to ('MOS_talk:PIPE')
('Talk:Mos:pn') to ('MOS_talk:Pn')
('Talk:Mos:poss') to ('MOS_talk:Poss')
('Talk:MoS:PUNCT') to ('MOS_talk:PUNCT')
('Talk:MoS:RJL') to ('MOS_talk:RJL')
('Talk:Mos:RT') to ('MOS_talk:RT')
('Talk:Mos:time') to ('MOS_talk:Time')
('Talk:Mos:TITLES') to ('MOS_talk:TITLES')
('Talk:Mos:title') to ('MOS_talk:Title')
('Talk:MoS:TITLE') to ('MOS_talk:TITLE')
('Talk:Mos:TM') to ('Broken/Talk:Mos:TM')
('Talk:MoS:TM') to ('Broken/Talk:MoS:TM')
('Talk:MoS:T') to ('MOS_talk:T')
('Talk:Mos:unlinkdates') to ('MOS_talk:Unlinkdates')
('Talk:MoS:UNLINKYEARS') to ('Broken/Talk:MoS:UNLINKYEARS')
('Talk:MoS:WORDSASWORDS') to ('MOS_talk:WORDSASWORDS')
('Talk:MoS:WORDS') to ('MOS_talk:WORDS')
('Talk:MoS:Words_to_watch') to ('MOS_talk:Words_to_watch')
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Seems like Talk:MoS: variations are mostly deletable given that they relate to the discussions that are no longer related to the pages they got merged to (RfD notices about MoS:/Mos:/etc. redirects).
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This is up to the enwiki admins (a group that does not contain me anymore), but I agree that eventhing in Broken/ can probably be deleted.
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Current status: with MOS rolled out as a "real" namespace, links on enwiki to [[MOS;]] will not break if/when
mos:
is added as an interwiki prefix.
Interlanguage and interwiki links should work on all sites where MOS is not a namespace (everything but the 11 wikis listed above). However on enwiki the following fixes will be needed:
for Parsoid
for links in the Skin
for wikibase would be a good idea, although strictly speaking not required
maybe a patch to CirrusSearch -- I haven't looked into this yet.
With the above patches, language links from wikidata to moswiki should display correctly on enwiki, however there'd be no way to add language links to mos from wikitext on enwiki, and interwiki links would have to be written as
[[m:mos:....]]
, (ab)using the fact that metawiki does not have a MOS namespace.
For first class support for language and interwiki links where namespace and prefix collide, you'd need:
{{#iwlink}}
and
{{#langlink}}
parser functions)
or something like it. (Scribunto's
title.makeTitle
method can already create titles with an explicit interwiki portion, but it may be that some lua code on-wiki still would need to be patched to be more careful about reparsing language links.)
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Just to keep all the links in this task, as with the other wikis (
T363538#10134707
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Note: after moswiki is created, cleanupTitles should be run in wikis still have MOS: pages in main namespace (the second list of
T363538#10123348
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In
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@Bugreporter
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Note: after moswiki is created, cleanupTitles should be run in wikis still have MOS: pages in main namespace (the second list of
T363538#10123348
) so that such pages can be recovered.
Did this now. Had to gzip the output of metawiki and viwiki, since it would go beyond the phab file upload limit otherwise.
cawiki:
P69401
elwiki:
P69402
eowikinews:
P69403
foundationwiki:
P69404
gurwiki:
P69405
metawiki:
metawiki.txt.gz
837 KB
orwiki:
P69406
pawiki:
P69407
testwiki:
P69408
tumwiki:
P69409
viwiki:
viwiki.txt.gz
1 MB
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In
T363538#10141208
@cscott
wrote:
Interlanguage and interwiki links should work on all sites where MOS is not a namespace (everything but the 11 wikis listed above). However on enwiki the following fixes will be needed:
for Parsoid
for links in the Skin
for wikibase would be a good idea, although strictly speaking not required
maybe a patch to CirrusSearch -- I haven't looked into this yet.
With the above patches, language links from wikidata to moswiki should display correctly on enwiki, however there'd be no way to add language links to mos from wikitext on enwiki, and interwiki links would have to be written as
[[m:mos:....]]
, (ab)using the fact that metawiki does not have a MOS namespace.
Just a note, since
the wiki is now live
Since [[:mos:]] interlanguage links still don't work at the English Wikipedia, [[w:mos:]] links also don't work from all other English projects (meaning English Wiktionary, English Wikibooks, etc.), since such links are actually rendered as: "
". (And a link like [[:mos:w:]] won't work either, because there is no Mooré Wiktionary, Mooré Wikibooks, etc.)
So, [[m:mos:]] actually needs to be used from all English projects, not just Wikipedia.
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That's odd. I was expecting
to work, since that does work for language interwikis (i.e
does work). But I see now why that doesn't and it's not an easy fix.
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Above patch will make "mos:w" work from English Wiktionary (and is not specific to Moore - it will make "language:w:" work for any language with a Wikipedia even if the project it is on doesn't have a version in that language)
Although I'm not sure who's going to code review it. Missing.php is largely unowned code.
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(or "mos:w:foo" links from English Wiktionary or other English projects) now work.
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[mediawiki/core@master] Rename {{#iwlink}} and {{#langlink}} to {{#interwikilink}} and {{#languagelink}}
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The new parser functions should be documented on wiki and mentioned in Tech News.
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Having language-code redirect to another wiki causes all sorts of problems. It'd be better if you had to prefix and interwiki link with
intwerwiki
, so instead of linking
[[fr:Paris]]
you'd have to link to
[[interwiki:fr:Paris]]
Get a bot to update all the links.
People will get used to it soon enough.
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Let's not change the world fundamentally if we don't have to.
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Anything left to do here?
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No response, assuming this is done (any existing issues with the parser functions are probably best done as a new task at this point)
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