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IMPORTANT: Admin activity review
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Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, interface administrator, etc.) was adopted by
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Request for updating the text of the Clementine Bible
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Two months ago, at
Disputatio:Vulgata Clementina#The Clementine Vulgate Project dead?
I noted that the links related to
The Clementine Vulgate Project
, the main source used for the text of the
Vulgata Clementina
, were dead.
Fortunately, the list of changes made since the import of on Wikisource can be found
here
. There is also
a repository
(although I am not sure if it is up to date).
I have no experience in programming or making imports. So, could someone please update the text of
Vulgata Clementina
of Wikisource to use the latest version of
The Clementine Vulgate Project
Veverve
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Ser be etre shi
Are you able to help with this? Ping in case so.
JimKillock
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Veverve
Just checking these look like quite a small number of changes, is that right? It may be easiest to do these manually.
JimKillock
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well, my Latin is almost nonexistent, so I cannot do it myself sadly.
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Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)
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On EN wikisource, they have a template {{longs}} to produce
on the transcription page, and by default,
on the ebook page. users on EN WS can toggle these on and off.
In this book,
De principe
, there are a number of unusual characters that could do with toggling:
ſ (s); ß (ss); ẽ (en / em) ũ (un / um) æ (ae) ę (ae) õ (on / om) ã (an / am) œ (oe)
. (
formula:ls
already exists here for ſ, and some other characters semi-implemented at
Categoria:Formulae litterarum
but the toggling is not switched on.)
In order to implement this:
(1) What would LA WiCategoria:Formulae litterarumkisource need to enable for user toggling of special characters?
(2) Who would I contact (assuming this is an admin task)?
JimKillock
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10:06, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
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It looks like it would need this installing, as a start:
MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js
JimKillock
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11:13, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
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11:16, 29 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
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SZC 03
in case you have an opinion (you made changes at the De Pricipia transcription project which we could implement better with this toggle feature).
JimKillock
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07:31, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
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I would like to point out that not all of the listed characters are of the same kind:
ſ is a variant of s;
ß, æ and œ are
ligatures
of ſs, ae and oe respectively (
can represent both ae or oe);
ã, ẽ, õ, ũ are used to indicate
abbreviations
Personally I think it would be somewhat useful to implement the toggle feature only for æ and œ, since of all the ligatures they are the only ones that carry some meaning (that ae or oe in that word is a diphthong) and the only ones that easily show up in search results and correctly displayed in web-browsers.
Note that both English and Italian wikisources in their transcription guidelines take in consideration the ability of both modern readers and search engines to correctly interpret the character shown (see
en:Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography
and
it:Wikisource:Convenzioni di trascrizione
). Though it would be useful to write rules specific to the Latin wikisource.
I hope these considerations were of any help.
SZC 03
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07:58, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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In regards to the
De principe
it would be appropriate to encode the text in a way that we do not lose your work of accurately transcribing the above characters, while still showing to the end user a normalized form. My edit was trying to achieve this with the templates currently in wikisource.
From a technical standpoint, it would be useful to have a general template not specific to any character that could be used both in
ad hoc
situations, and in creating other templates.
Also if such a template is created for abbreviations it should behave differently from the long s and ligatures, since 1) the text displayed is context dependent, and 2) it is common use in diplomatic transcriptions to show the abbreviated characters in parentheses (so I were taught in paleography class).
To give an example of point 2 from the text (
page 45
, line 11):
Original text: Iãq́ꝫ
Diplomatic transcription: Ia(m)q(ue)
Standard transcription: Iamque
I’m sorry for the lengthy comments.
SZC 03
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11:02, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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I agree something adhoc would be helpful. The template would need to specify
the text as-is and
the modernised version
and hopefully there would be a system to pick up which to display.
In terms of the display: this could be the js system, perhaps adapted, that we have on en.ws, or possibly it could be an adjustment to the page templates set up, to allow two different books, or sets of pages, to be presented. This would have the advantage that exports would facilitate both (IDK but suspect that exports support the default rather than user choice).
JimKillock
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15:48, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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I have set out this information in a
table
including information about dictionary lookups and likely search engine issues. In short, from a user perspective, all the characters can be problematic, but æ and œ work within Alpheios for dictionary lookups, so are a bit more tolerable than the others from a default perspective. However I think it is useful tobe able to see and use the originals for some people, eg those practicing reading Renaissance scans etc; or researchers or academics looking to use source texts.
JimKillock
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16:09, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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Alex brollo
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Candalua
in case you can help.
JimKillock
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07:38, 30 Aprilis 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
Interesting question. I'll take a look to the ensource template to understand how it works (I hope it is not based on javascript).
Alex brollo
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06:18, 1 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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I’m afraid it is based on javascript:
en:MediaWiki:Gadget-Visibility.js
To see the button you have to enable the
Visibility gadget
SZC 03
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11:12, 3 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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Alex brollo
checking in whether we can implement this, or find another solution. I am holding off further changes until I know how to proceed - but I am sure there should be a way to do this!
JimKillock
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20:40, 19 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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Noting this question comes up again at
Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf
(I have
left a note there
).
JimKillock
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09:08, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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OK, I have developed templates as this is holding up other people's work. I have based each template on the existing
formula:ls
, and avoid duplicating those that already exist using the same method at
Categoria:Formulae litterarum
. Meantime if anyone has further thoughts about using Visibility Gadget or going another way, I would be very grateful.
JimKillock
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18:02, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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SZC 03
I have made a very basic template for flexible character switching at
Formula:Scr
; this returns the first entry on the book page, and the second in main space, eg {{scr|qꝫ|que}} would work the same as {{que}}.
However there is advice on ENWS not to use characters but use HTML entities for CSS reasons, so it is probably better for users to use specific templates. For example, I also created {{po}} which allows a user to decide what it might best represent, eg {{po|;}} or {{po|?}}.
In general, using set templates like {{que}}, {{em}}, {{um}}, {{etc}} is much easier for proofing, so I think I will continue to add these where it seems useful.
JimKillock
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08:29, 24 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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Hi folks, so that you know, I have made something of a workaround to be able to enable these features, which works well enough for me. I will perhaps add some guidance somewhere. What I have done:
Installed the font Garamontio, as it has the qꝫ character, and all the possible ligatures
Created custom css to apply Garamontio to Wikisource as a whole; at
Usor:JimKillock/common.css
; and
Created (vibecoded) custom javascript at
Usor:JimKillock/common.js
The second script looks for the various spans with the css style typographic-long-s, and replaces the characters as appropriate. This seems to work surprisingly well, Garamontio does all of the discretionary ligatures etc, and is a very well designed font (fork of EB Garamond, with some extra touches useful here). The issue is of course that this applies to the whole of Latin Wikisource all of the time.
JimKillock
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18:35, 25 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
, reading this I wanted to tell you that you could apply styles to a index page, but I see you have already figured it out. Kudos on your progress.
SZC 03
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09:56, 9 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
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Thanks @
SZC 03
; my list of scribal transformations has got quite long tho. And I need to check on the possible logic of it, some needs to hide and unhide, rather than search and replace.
JimKillock
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We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon!
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Administrator backlog?
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Hi there,
I am noticing a lot of pages that say that the current version is not checked; and versions I have amended are not (apparently) displayed because they need approval. Am I right in assuming this is due to a lack of (active) administrator time?
JimKillock
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10:53, 30 Maii 2025 (UTC)
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Relatedly @
Alex brollo
/ @
OrbiliusMagister
/ other admins,
Colloquia familiaria
has an old index page and other old sub pages which could do with changes being approved.
JimKillock
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11:58, 12 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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Ping on this, some of the sub pages are quite broken.
JimKillock
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09:42, 28 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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I have tried to fix the lack of text in ePub export for
Noctes Atticae
Unfortunately, it seems that all my submissions require approval (last approval seems to have taken place more than five years ago).
Is there any way to have
class="ws-export"
to the second
from
Noctes Atticae
Many thanks for your help,
Ousia
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Vote now in the 2025 U4C Election
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Mnemonics Book in Latin
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Dear all,
Over the past month, with the help of others, I’ve been compiling a list of older and often overlooked books on mnemonic techniques available on
Wikisource English
. Many of these works—some dating back decades or even centuries—offer fascinating insights into how memory has been understood, trained, and improved across different cultures and time periods.
I've recently added a new section to the portal: "Multilingual Works on Mnemonic Techniques." This is in part because several of the English-language texts reference related works in other languages, particularly Latin.
Unfortunately, many of these referenced works are written in Classical Latin, and my ability to work with them is quite limited—I’ve done what I can, but they remain largely inaccessible to me.
If anyone has expertise in Classical Latin and might be willing to help with these texts, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Foenix
by
Peter of Ravenna
(1491)
Congestorium Artificiose Memorie
by Johann Horst von Romberch (1533)
Here is a discussion form on it
Warm regards
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Hi there, I could help proofing texts you have prepared perhaps?
JimKillock
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09:57, 14 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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Thanks for offering—I’d really appreciate your help with proofreading.
We have two books. Which one would you like to start with?
Liber:Foenix. Domini Petri Ravennatis memoriae magistri - (Petrus) (IA hin-wel-all-00002799-001).pdf
Liber:Congestorium artificiose memorie ... - V.P.F. Joa(n)nis Romberch de Kyrspe. Regularis obseruantie predicatorie- (IA hin-wel-all-00002875-001).pdf
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I can do the pages you have put into the first, as a start for you. BTW the transcribed text does not always look like it originated from the source. It is very correct, but some has different orthography and missed certain parts. That is fine of course if we are correcting to the original. (PS: you might want to create a user account so that you can be notified of replies, hide your IP address, etc).
JimKillock
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I had a go at the first page or two; some of the orthography was removed while other parts were kept. I kept all of it as a first go. See the discussion above about how we treat orthography, hopefully we can address this with templates.
JimKillock
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09:11, 15 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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I'm using Google OCR and some AI tools to pull out text and sometimes translate it into English so I can understand it. If anyone could help me proofread or check it, I’d be super grateful!
82.167.147.5
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I have added all the templates we need for the special characters / orthography, I will start doing the pages with those. The end result will be that on the main space ebook pages, the chars will toggle on and off, at least once that is properly implemented.
JimKillock
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19:25, 17 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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Noted, sounds good. I’ll try adding to the other pages next time.
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Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 - Call for Candidates
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Hello all,
The
call for candidates for the 2025 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees selection is now open
from June 17, 2025 – July 2, 2025 at 11:59 UTC [1]. The Board of Trustees oversees the Wikimedia Foundation's work, and each Trustee serves a three-year term [2]. This is a volunteer position.
This year, the Wikimedia community will vote in late August through September 2025 to fill two (2) seats on the Foundation Board. Could you – or someone you know – be a good fit to join the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees? [3]
Learn more about what it takes to stand for these leadership positions and how to submit your candidacy on
this Meta-wiki page
or encourage someone else to run in this year's election.
Best regards,
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Chair of the Elections Committee
On behalf of the Elections Committee and Governance Committee
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De Principe
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Si vis, quaeso, me adiuva ut liber novus
De Principe
correctus sit et erroribus liber. Nuper completus, ab aliquo alio corrigendus est.
JimKillock
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Sister Projects Task Force reviews Wikispore and Wikinews
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Dear Wikimedia Community,
The
Community Affairs Committee (CAC)
of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees assigned
the Sister Projects Task Force (SPTF)
to update and implement a procedure for assessing the lifecycle of Sister Projects – wiki
projects supported by Wikimedia Foundation (WMF)
A vision of relevant, accessible, and impactful free knowledge has always guided the Wikimedia Movement. As the ecosystem of Wikimedia projects continues to evolve, it is crucial that we periodically review existing projects to ensure they still align with our goals and community capacity.
Despite their noble intent, some projects may no longer effectively serve their original purpose.
Reviewing such projects is not about giving up – it's about responsible stewardship of shared resources
. Volunteer time, staff support, infrastructure, and community attention are finite, and the non-technical costs tend to grow significantly as our ecosystem has entered a different age of the internet than the one we were founded in. Supporting inactive projects or projects that didn't meet our ambitions can unintentionally divert these resources from areas with more potential impact.
Moreover, maintaining projects that no longer reflect the quality and reliability of the Wikimedia name stands for, involves a reputational risk. An abandoned or less reliable project affects trust in the Wikimedia movement.
Lastly,
failing to sunset or reimagine projects that are no longer working can make it much harder to start new ones
. When the community feels bound to every past decision – no matter how outdated – we risk stagnation. A healthy ecosystem must allow for evolution, adaptation, and, when necessary, letting go. If we create the expectation that every project must exist indefinitely, we limit our ability to experiment and innovate.
Because of this, SPTF reviewed two requests concerning the lifecycle of the Sister Projects to work through and demonstrate the review process. We chose Wikispore as a case study for a possible new Sister Project opening and Wikinews as a case study for a review of an existing project. Preliminary findings were discussed with the CAC, and a community consultation on both proposals was recommended.
Wikispore
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The
application to consider Wikispore
was submitted in 2019. SPTF decided to review this request in more depth because rather than being concentrated on a specific topic, as most of the proposals for the new Sister Projects are, Wikispore has the potential to nurture multiple start-up Sister Projects.
After careful consideration, the SPTF has decided
not to recommend
Wikispore as a Wikimedia Sister Project. Considering the current activity level, the current arrangement allows
better flexibility
and experimentation while WMF provides core infrastructural support.
We acknowledge the initiative's potential and seek community input on what would constitute a sufficient level of activity and engagement to reconsider its status in the future.
As part of the process, we shared the decision with the Wikispore community and invited one of its leaders, Pharos, to an SPTF meeting.
Currently, we especially invite feedback on measurable criteria indicating the project's readiness, such as contributor numbers, content volume, and sustained community support. This would clarify the criteria sufficient for opening a new Sister Project, including possible future Wikispore re-application. However, the numbers will always be a guide because any number can be gamed.
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We chose to review Wikinews among existing Sister Projects because it is the one for which we have observed the highest level of concern in multiple ways.
Since the SPTF was convened in 2023, its members have asked for the community's opinions during conferences and community calls about Sister Projects that did not fulfil their promise in the Wikimedia movement.
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[2]
[3]
Wikinews was the leading candidate for an evaluation because people from multiple language communities proposed it. Additionally, by most measures, it is the least active Sister Project, with the greatest drop in activity over the years.
While the Language Committee routinely opens and closes language versions of the Sister Projects in small languages, there has never been a valid proposal to close Wikipedia in major languages or any project in English. This is not true for Wikinews, where there was a proposal to close English Wikinews, which gained some traction but did not result in any action
[4]
[5], see section 5
as well as a draft proposal to close all languages of Wikinews
[6]
Initial metrics
compiled by WMF staff also support the community's concerns about Wikinews.
Based on this report, SPTF recommends a community reevaluation of Wikinews. We conclude that its current structure and activity levels are the lowest among the existing sister projects. SPTF also recommends pausing the opening of new language editions while the consultation runs.
SPTF brings this analysis to a discussion and welcomes discussions of alternative outcomes, including potential restructuring efforts or integration with other Wikimedia initiatives.
Options
mentioned so far (which might be applied to just low-activity languages or all languages) include but are not limited to:
Restructure how Wikinews works and is linked to other current events efforts on the projects,
Merge the content of Wikinews into the relevant language Wikipedias, possibly in a new namespace,
Merge content into compatibly licensed external projects,
Archive Wikinews projects.
Your insights and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of these projects. We encourage all interested community members to share their thoughts on the relevant discussion pages or through other designated feedback channels.
Feedback and next steps
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We'd be grateful if you want to take part in a conversation on the future of these projects and the review process. We are setting up two different project pages:
Public consultation about Wikispore
and
Public consultation about Wikinews
. Please participate between 27 June 2025 and 27 July 2025, after which we will summarize the discussion to move forward. You can write in your own language.
I will also host a community conversation 16th July Wednesday 11.00 UTC and 17th July Thursday 17.00 UTC (call links to follow shortly) and will be around at Wikimania for more discussions.
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20:57, 27 Iunii 2025 (UTC)
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Latin incunabula and other early books
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Expanding a bit on what I mentioned above, re character toggling, and also working on the books
Foenix
and
Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae
the Transkribus Latin Incunabula scan does a great job on the heavy gothic style print
I will see how it does with more Garamond-style texts, in case it works with these
I have developed a fairly full set of templates for scribal characters, see
Categoria:Formulae litterarum
I am thinking about using a bot to wholesale search and replace long s, and other scribal characters mapped there
Between these things, the work to transcribe and correct early printed Latin books should be very much reduced. If anyone feels like helping test this out, do give me shout. Meantime I will run tests on Congestorium Artificiosae Memoriae to check how well the bot system works.
JimKillock
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07:50, 1 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
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The folks at Wikisource helped create a JS solution for this, see
Usor:JimKillock/incunabula.js
. The script does a search and replace for what is needed, on the
first save of a new book page
; these are the settings for the Incunabula style section of
this scan, p 52 onwards
for
Congestorium Artificiose Memorie
. It seems to work very well and is extremely labour saving!
JimKillock
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Navigation and validation
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Hi there,
I would like to do some work on navigation, to provide some "portal" pages similar to EN Wikisource. For example, this would help with learner texts a lot 9I often get asked how to find these texts, I point to the category pages, but these are very basic.
I would also like to know what we should do about page validation. Some really necessary changes are currently languishing in the backlog. This is an admin only task: should we asking for more administrators, or is this something existing admins here can take on?
JimKillock
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14:08, 13 Iulii 2025 (UTC)
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Hi
JimKillock
good idea, don't hesitate to start and/or ask for help. That said, I'm not sure to see why this is an admin task (even if, yes, the underlying point is true, we need more admins). Cheers,
VIGNERON
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09:31, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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VIGNERON
I think the Portal namespace and some modules need setting up which require admin permissions, I will dig a bit further and come back to you.
JimKillock
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Wikidata Item and Property labels soon displayed in Wiki Watchlist/Recent Changes
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(Apologies for posting in English, you can help by translating into your language)
Hello everyone, the
Wikidata For Wikimedia Projects
team is excited to announce an upcoming change in how Wikidata edit changelogs are displayed in your
Watchlists
and
Recent Changes
lists. If an edit is made on Wikidata that affects a page in another Wikimedia Project, the changelog will contain some information about the nature of the edit. This can include a QID (or Q-number), a PID (or P-number) and a value (which can be text, numbers, dates, or also QID or PID’s). Confused by these terms? See the
Wikidata:Glossary
for further explanations.
The upcoming change is scheduled for
17.07.2025
, between
1300 - 1500 UTC
The change will display the label (item name) alongside any QID or PIDs, as seen in the image below:
These changes will only be visible if you have Wikidata edits enabled in your User Preferences for Watchlists and Recent Changes, or have the active filter ‘Wikidata edits’ checkbox toggled on, directly on the Watchlist and Recent Changes pages.
Your bot and gadget may be affected! There are thousands of bots, gadgets and user-scripts and whilst we have researched potential effects to many of them, we cannot guarantee there won’t be some that are broken or affected by this change.
Further information and context about this change, including how your bot may be affected can be found on this
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. We welcome your questions and feedback, please write to us on this dedicated
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Thank you, -
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Upcoming Deployment of the CampaignEvents Extension
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Hello everyone,
(Apologies for posting in English if English is not your first language. Please help translate to your language.)
The Campaigns Product Team is planning a global deployment of the
CampaignEvents extension
to all Wikisource, including this Wikisource, during the
week of August 25th
This extension is designed to help organizers plan and manage events, WikiProjects, and other on-wiki collaborations - and to make these efforts more discoverable.
The three main features of this extension are:
Event Registration
: A simple way to sign up for events on the wiki.
Collaboration List
: A global list of events and a local list of WikiProjects, accessible at
Special:AllEvents
Invitation Lists
: A tool to help organizers find editors who might want to join, based on their past contributions.
Note
: The extension comes with a new user right called
"Event Organizer"
, which will be managed by administrators on this Wikisource. Organizer tools like Event Registration and Invitation Lists will only work if someone is granted this right. The Collaboration List is available to everyone immediately after deployment.
The extension is already live on several wikis, including
all Wikipedia, Meta, Wikidata
, and more (
See the full deployment list
If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback, please feel free to share them on the
extension talkpage
. We’d love to hear from you before the rollout.
Thank you!
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Temporary accounts will be rolled out soon
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Hello, we are the Wikimedia Foundation
Product Safety and Integrity
team. We would like to announce that
we plan to enable
temporary accounts
for this wiki in the week of September 1
Temporary accounts are successfully live on 30 wikis, including many large ones like German, Japanese, and French. The change they bring is especially relevant to logged-out editors, who this feature is designed to protect. But it is also relevant to community members like mentors, patrollers, and admins – anyone who reverts edits, blocks users, or otherwise interacts with logged-out editors as part of keeping the wikis safe and accurate.
Why we are building temporary accounts
Our wikis should be safer to edit by default for logged-out editors. Temporary accounts allow people to continue editing the wikis without creating an account, while avoiding publicly tying their edits to their IP address. We believe this is in the best interest of our logged-out editors, who make valuable contributions to the wikis and who may later create accounts and grow our community of editors, admins, and other roles. Even though the wikis do warn logged-out editors that their IP address will be associated with their edit, many people may not understand what an IP address is, or that it could be used to connect them to other information about them in ways they might not expect.
Additionally, our moderation software and tools rely too heavily on network origin (IP addresses) to identify users and patterns of activity, especially as IP addresses themselves are becoming less stable as identifiers. Temporary accounts allow for more precise interactions with logged-out editors, including more precise blocks, and can help limit how often we unintentionally end up blocking good-faith users who use the same IP addresses as bad-faith users.
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All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae
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I was looking for templates/formulae by looking at [[Categoria:Formulae]]
All pages in
Liber:Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679.djvu
are in [[Categoria:Formulae]]
Many (all?) pages in
Liber:Gallia Christiana, 1715, T1.djvu
are in [[Categoria:Formulae]], like article
Gallia Christiana 1715 01/Epistola2
These all use
Formula:Sidenotes begin
. There is one "
pending change
" on this template. But that change puts the category outside the noinclude.
[[Categoria:Formulae]]
Please either reject the change or move the categoria line.
Shenme
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04:17, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
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Hi @
Shenme
, I don't think anyone from the admins is monitoring or actioning pending changes currently. (see discussions re admin queues above.)
JimKillock
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05:29, 31 Augusti 2025 (UTC)
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Shenme
Perfectum est.
I excluded the categories.
JimKillock
no blame but be careful next time, categories should always be excluded. Cheers,
VIGNERON
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09:28, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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It wasn't @JimKillock who made
the problematic change
, but someone else
Usor:Ceciliawolf
. I noticed the problem, he included the problem a list that got your attention.
Shenme
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02:46, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Shenme
yes, but
Special:Diff/236794
. Cheers,
VIGNERON
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Request for admin status
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Hi all, given that we have quite a lot of admin requests (mostly relating to "pending" changes), I would like to request administrator status so that some of these can be cleared. If anyone else wants to step up to help out, that would also be welcome.
JimKillock
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17:23, 1 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Ping to @
Shenme
, @
Ousia
Alex brollo
:, @
VIGNERON
:, @
Candalua
: in case you feel able to support my request.
JimKillock
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06:57, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Hi
JimKillock
I apparently missed it, where do we have « a lot of admin requests » ?
That said, one more admin is always good, so create the request and I'll support it.
Cheers,
VIGNERON
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07:34, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Hi @
VIGNERON
Thank you! On the admin requests, on this page, here are these
#All pages in Athanasius Kircher - Turris Babel - 1679 are in Categoria:Formulae
#It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace
(which you have replied to)
#Navigation and validation
#Administrator backlog?
#Toggling special characters such as ſ (long s)
(altho this has been worked around and may not be needed)
Most of these relate to the
Pending changes
backlog in various ways; two are requests for new features / modules to be ported across.
JimKillock
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09:01, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
thanks, I see. It doesn't look like a lot to me, I'll try to deal with it today. Cheers,
VIGNERON
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09:27, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Thank you @
VIGNERON
:) You could also take a look at the pending changes on
Formula:Pagina_prima/Novae_Aetatis
and
Moriae encomium
. The really big job is going through
pending changes
altogether - I understand there is a five year backlog.
JimKillock
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09:36, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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I see... I had a quick look and all changes seem good. Do we even need this extension on Wikisource? Also, if we keep it, I guess we need more reviewers rather than admins (more admins would be useful too, but that's a separate point). Cheers,
VIGNERON
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10:35, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Of course, the request needs to be supported; without active administrators it is very inconvenient.
Demetrius Talpa
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12:21, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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What do you need us to do? BTW, it would be great to know why edits require administrator approvals. Sorry, but I‘m afraid this makes contributing almost pointless. Many thanks for your help, --
Ousia
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14:15, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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So there are two reasons it would be helpful for me to be an admin; one is if we carry on with the approval system (it looks like we will not) and the other is around updating or adding certain components, modules for example. There may be other tasks I am not aware of that I could help with, but these are the ones I know about. Implementing Portal pages for example needs some work by an admin AIUI.
Ousia
your question re edits needing approval is
addressed below, here
In terms of what you / others need to do, it seems that if there is a consensus to allow me administrator permissions, then a bueaucrat user would implement it (I mistakenly opening a request at meta, and they referred me back here); so we just need to have your views, yes, no, maybe, etc.
JimKillock
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17:01, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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The page
Vicifons:Magistratus
, intended for promotion, seems to be protected; I couldn't edit it (
petitio grapheocrat
ae
) and add a category (
Categoria:Usores
).
Demetrius Talpa
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20:23, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Thanks, it seems editable now so I
added my request there
, if anyone wants to support it. Regarding
grapheocrates -ae
, how is this declined? Is it otherwise treated as a masculine first declension? Thinking it ought to be added to Wiktionary as it is missing from there.
JimKillock
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17:00, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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This is
from Licoppe and Eichenseer
. Yes, this can be added to Wiktionary, I have no experience editing there. Thanks for the corrections, today the system let me in, but yesterday for some unknown reason it didn’t let me in.
Demetrius Talpa
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20:53, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Thank you and no problem. I can add to Wiktionary I hope; is the plural therefore
grapheocratae
; and is the singular
grapheocrates
or
grapheocrata
JimKillock
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07:14, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Yes, of course. They took the Modern Greek word γραφειοκράτης.
Demetrius Talpa
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21:41, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Great, after a bit of struggle that is at
en:wiktionary:grapheocrates
and
la:wiktionary:grapheocrates
JimKillock
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12:43, 7 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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It would be nice to have automatic headers for the Liber: namespace
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It would require someone with interface admin status to create
MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index data config.json
to replace the current index form parameters (
very old system
) with special care to not mass delete information by unadvertedly changing some parameter's name.
Example from the English Wikisource
. If someone wants to help, please contact me. Regards!
Ignacio Rodríguez
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02:10, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Hi @
Ignacio Rodríguez
, potentially - if I have admin status :)
JimKillock
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06:54, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Ignacio Rodríguez
I did a test (by copy-pasting the English page), it works, so no need to be interface admin, being admin is enough.
I only half understand that paramater page, could you give me the actual content expected ?
Cheers,
VIGNERON
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07:38, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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I don't remember all the details but I worked on that page in the Spanish Wikisource almost a decade ago. I'll make a mockup in the talk page, but I can't promise to get all the Latin words right. For ease, parameter names and help tooltips will be in English internally, but they will show in Latin in the form.
Ignacio Rodríguez
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16:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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This was added and it now works perfectly. Thanks!
Ignacio Rodríguez
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16:25, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Do we need to approve changes to pages
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Hi all,
Moving the discussion regarding the backlog at
Specialis:PendingChanges
: @
VIGNERON
asks whether we need to have this feature. I suspect it was switched on because of spam, vandalism, or some other similar issue. Without it we might need to be keeping an eye on recent changes. I am not sure how the proteccted changes permissions works, or whether permissions to make approvals to changes can be delegated more widely.
JimKillock
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19:56, 2 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Changes to pages affecting project *function* must be controlled. But it seems that Pending Changes doesn't actually stop changes to something like a template/formula from having effect? See my report about Formula:Sidenotes begin above.
And checking a couple of the other initial items in
Specialis:PendingChanges
, it seems that all pending changes are actually immediately applied to active, visible pages.
So Pending Changes
does not prevent damage
to the project. It is
merely a tracking and notification method?
That can be useful, but requires a set of people to be change reviewers. And changes to subject matter would seem to require reviewers knowledgeable about the subject?
And when changes affect *function*, like templates, who can review and approve those? I'd think only admins.
The link to monitoring Recent Changes is undeniable. I monitor Recent Changes often at Spanish Wikisource because I've seen the random damage people can do. That is the only way to react quickly to damage. (?) But then that assumes people are checking lists frequently, at least daily.
Neither Pending Changes or monitoring Recent Changes prevent damage. They can be only part of a solution to damage. I don't know what to think about Pending Changes
in isolation
Shenme
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03:48, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
, @
Shenme
I've got mainly two points :
vandlism is low to inexistant on la.ws (and it's already low on most Wikisources), making this extension useless and even problematic. Because it doesn't prevent changes but it prevents them to be effective.
Apparently the reason to install is
Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_VII#protection_of_completed_works_-_Flagged_Revisions_as_an_alternative?
this extension is actually caleld
mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs
and it's deprecated for years (see
Vicifons:Scriptorium/Vetera_XI#Futrue_of_FlaggedRevs_(Pending_Changes)_extension
or the warning on the extension itself « Flagged Revisions is complex, poorly documented, very clunky, and not recommended for production use »). Also, people on Wikisource don't seem to really master or even using it (including the reviewers rights). Maybe it's aan opportunity to list exactly what we need and find a new extension that fit these needs.
In the end, I see a lot of cons and only a few pros...
Cheers,
VIGNERON
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07:35, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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I haven't seen any vandalism here in years. But if you fix the errors, the "Pending Changes" status means that the fixes will only be visible to registered users.
Demetrius Talpa
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12:10, 3 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
, @
Shenme
many thanks for your replies. I must admit that I’m an occasional Wikisource (or even Wikipedia contributor). I essentially (or exclusively) contribute corrections.
Some days ago, I wanted to download an ePub file for the
Noctes Atticae
(to do some regexp searches), but the export was wrong. I tried to modify the code (which I have done successfully for the Greek Wikisource many times) and I found out that I needed a
nihil obstat
(I’m afraid this would be way to name it).
Of course, I’m the least interested in vandalism (either contributing it myself, or being any collaborative project being infested/polluted by it). But I think there should be a way of distinguishing between vandalism and non-hardcore (or occasional) contributors.
I don’t know any perfect system, but it should be worth considering a mixed approach. Approval could be required for: already flagged users (for vandalism) and recent users (how about a five-year publishing embargo?).
Only to mention a case, my
first contribution to the Greek Wiksource
was in 2012. I don’t know for how long I have been registered in Wikimedia (I guess this was before 2010).
This isn’t about myself, the issue here is that Wikisource needs contributions to even exist (not to mention for its growth). If no regular user is allowed to contribute without approval, cooperation is basically non-existing.
Even with approval, the reply times are incredibly slow (because of the system). It is not that attention spans are getting shorter, time is the most scarce resource we all are (and I don’t have weeks or months to see whether I’m allowed to have
Noctes Atticae
as ePub).
Sorry, the sentence in parentheses isn’t a complaint. Please, do as you please, but my contribution is: consider that you might be making contributions way harder, project growth way slower and administrators’ roles way more complicated (probably, than they could and should be).
Many thanks for your help and your project, --
Ousia
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17:15, 4 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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VIGNERON
I think there is consensus we can switch this off. Let me know if I can help in any way if you think it's time to switch it off.
JimKillock
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18:25, 4 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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JimKillock
thanks for the reminder and agreed for removal, so I created a task on Phabricator here :
Phab:T406424
. Cheers,
VIGNERON
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09:42, 5 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Thanks for filing this @
VIGNERON
, the Wikimedia tech team seem to have finished their work on this now!
JimKillock
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12:16, 18 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Index page error "Error: Invalid interval"
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I am getting an error: at
Liber:Nos in schola latine loquimur - Ars latine loquendi.pdf
"Error: Invalid interval" for the paginae listing; even when set to
. Any clues appreciated!
JimKillock
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16:48, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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This might be the infamous "0x0 bug" that has plagued Wikisource for two? three? years. Normally it resolves doing a purge in both the file page in Commons and in the local Wikisource.
Ignacio Rodríguez
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19:34, 5 Septembris 2025 (UTC)
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Thanks, that seems to b working now.
JimKillock
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Quaestio de Archibaldi Pitcarnii scriptoris operum recensione
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Quaeso ut videatis
Author talk:Archibald Pitcairne
pro indicio operum Archibaldi Pitcarnii auctoris. Haec opera olim sub pagina Anglica erant posita, sed propter Latinam linguam sublata sunt. Possumusne paginam
Scriptor:Archibaldus Pitcarnius
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20:45, 19 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Libenter tibi pagina scriptoris addetur, ut opera transcriptioni adiungantur!
JimKillock
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08:36, 20 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Gratias ago! Nota quaeso quod, ubi pagina creata erit, eam etiam in Vicidata addendam esse, sicut Anglica pagina
en:Author:Archibald Pitcairne
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08:50, 20 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Certe, nexus Vicidata ad alias paginas de Archibaldo creandus est.
JimKillock
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Missal transcription: ℣ and ℟ , and ✠
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Hi there, @
Laura1822
is transcribing
Liber:Missale Romanum 1862.djvu
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08:58, 24 Octobris 2025 (UTC)
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Vandalismus
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Vidi nuper nonnihil vandalismi, qualis in
hoc
et
illo
apparuit.
JimKillock
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Ad magistratus
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Magistratus venerabiles, potestisne in
capsam insertionis
addere haec: + et {{Versus|+}}? — Dear admins, сan you add to the
quick insert toolbar
+ et {{Versus|+}}?
Demetrius Talpa
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07:09, 3 Februarii 2026 (UTC)
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Demetrius Talpa
: done, sorry for the delay. If you need anything else, please ping me, as I don't normally follow the Scriptorium.
Candalua
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07:09, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC)
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Gratias ago maximas!
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Action Required: Update templates/modules for electoral maps (Migrating from P1846 to P14226)
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Appologies for posting in English. Also, I could not locate a dedicated page for bot request in Latina Wikisource, so I am posting here. Please direct me to the correct page if one exists. Thank you.
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Alex brollo
, @
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Schlurcher
: fine for me, if there are no objections I'll grant it.
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OK for me too. --
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Schlurcher
Fine for me too. This checked conversions from http to https are important.
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Perfectum est.
Right granted. @
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, please? -
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16:14, 17 Aprilis 2026 (UTC)
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