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Latest comment:
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Waistline is an open source calorie tracker app with which one can scan products and easily see their ingredients (eg to avoid certain ones) as well as for tracking calorie intake, micronutrient intake (eg to limit salt intake), and macronutrient intake (eg to increase protein intake). Its probably biggest disadvantage to closed-source proprietary apps is that one can't easily enter generic foods like 'Apple' where the precise numbers don't matter and it's more or less the same for products of the same kind.
code issue here
This is one of the so far rather rare opportunities where Wikidata could be very useful in the real world outside of Wikimedia projects as people could enter nutrients data on Wikidata for generic foods and Waistline could load it. This data is very useful in general and could also be used for other purposes so it's not limited to this kind of application or that particular already-popular example app.
However, the property proposal has stalled:
Wikidata:Property proposal/contains nutrient
. More participation there would be welcome.
See also and
implemented here
Prototyperspective
talk
11:36, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
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If we want more data about food, having a good data model is important. If we take an apple, it has on the order of 40,000 to 50,000 different proteins that we certainly don't want to all include in
apple
(Q89)
We do have
has listed ingredient
(P4543)
for ingredients and
food energy
(P7971)
for the calories.
If you want to make progress here, the path would be to start reading the FDA and EFSA definitions of what various terms mean, probably read through the definitions of projects like OpenFoodFacts and then argue for a data model for Wikidata that plays well with the existing definitions. This is some work, asking a chatbot to give find the relevant definitions can be useful if you don't want to look them up yourself.
ChristianKl
13:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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Thanks. Those two properties are useful but they don't seem to be set on many items. Maybe somebody could import more of that data?
As for the links at the end of my postm I thought nutrients was contained in there;
seems to be the right OFF place and USDA also seems to have a list but I couldn't find it and the API site seems down currently.
In the property proposal there already is a list of proposed nutrients to include. The question now is if that list is fine or how it should be changed and I hope people here will participate.
Prototyperspective
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14:42, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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Allow me to veer off on a tangent. I loathe the new USDA database for several reasons. First it doesn't list information for cooked ingredients, which for white rice has three times less food energy per unit when it is cooked. You can find them in the legacy section, but this isn't being updated. It also doesn't list provitamins like beta-carotene in the new database. If that wasn't bad enough they also stopped listing any foods that aren't "foundational". This all makes it very hard to use it for real-life purposes.
For Vitamin E, only alpha-tocopherol is listed and not alpha-tocopherol equivalents which means you get numbers that apparently might be way off. For boiled eggs the numbers are off by a factor of 5. I was told by the local oversight authority that these numbers can be influenced by factors such as enriched poultry feed, which AFAIK is done locally, but the feed cooperative doesn't publicly list this data. I only know the numbers match values measured in a laboratory. Any fresh animal produce is unlikely to be imported so this might be highly regional.
What I use for database is
. It's available in machine readable form (JSON), in an English language version, under a license for public open data. Personally I'm interested in all aspects of my nutrition, not just the calories, so I just use a spreadsheet, probably gives me a better overview than some simple calorie tracker apps.
Infrastruktur
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17:13, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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Examples of USDA FoodCentral being dysfunctional and misleading: Carrots apparently don't have any beta-carotene or retinol-equivalents.
[1]
On this page it lists all the individual vitamin Es, but doesn't give us a value for alpha-tocopherol equivalents.
[2]
And boiled eggs list alpha-tocopherol in the legacy section, which is just one of the E vitamins.
[3]
. If we look at raw eggs in the new database, where did vitamin E go?
[4]
. Egg yolks apparently have a bunch of different vitamin Es, but last time I checked eggs contain egg yolks.
[5]
Infrastruktur
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14:50, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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Well if we get things onto Wikidata, that would finally able the open source world to adopt our data instead of USDA (which also requires users to get an API key first) for generic foods data.
I named the USDA database only in the context of how to find a reasonable comprehensive list of nutrients.
This all makes it very hard to use it for real-life purposes.
exactly an additional reason for why things should be available on Wikidata.
matvaretabellen.no/en/ . It's available in machine readable form (JSON), in an English language version, under a license for public open data
sounds like a potential source for data to import, would be great news.
Prototyperspective
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18:01, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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Interesting. That's an issue with that database as source for filling the proposed property. However,
it's not reasoning to not create the new property
it's an extra reason to create that property and get its data into Wikidata since USDA which is used by open source apps for generic foods currently is so bad
Prototyperspective
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18:03, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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I found another good comprehensive set of nutrition data the "Composition of foods integrated dataset (CoFID)" -
. This one is available as an excel spreadsheet.
Infrastruktur
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19:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC)
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Amazing, thanks a lot – this one looks promising. Would probably be best to try to get the best out of the ~3 resources available with such data other than OFF.
Prototyperspective
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12:32, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
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I have tried on several occasions to build an app around the USDA FoodData Central. It works but is not the best. I think what youre doing would be a huge help to Wikidata so we can import the USDA and other sources so we do have the best data available and for free.
has listed ingredient
seems like a good place to store these, we can edit that property if theres nutrients you want to add to be valid. Youll just have to think of a model. A McDonald's Cheeseburger (sorry, im American) is really 1 bun, 1 beef patty, and 1 slice of cheese, which each have their own nutrient makeup. So a WD item of "McDonald's Cheeseburger" wouldnt have the nutrients direct. Youd use `has part(s)` bun, patty, cheese which each has their respective nutrients.
At least that's how i'd model it. Of course its your project so just nake sure what you decide is documented somewhere!
GA Kevin
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17:28, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
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Agree. And yes that's a good point: maybe many items would get ingredients specified and only those ingredients would have nutrients specified. However, I don't know if this impedes practical use eg making queries far far more complex and long to load since one also has to consider weight and quantity of ingredients. However, the subject here is not yet so broad I think: for now it's just for things like nutrients in 1 carrot or 1 apple (maybe average sour and average sweet type but one could also just specify a default specific product for the types). Regarding the Cheeseburger example, I don't know if the nutrients of the separate parts are known but the official site about the product has nutrients information for the product overall. However, this kind of product is not where this would be most valuable and useful – it's generic foods, not specific ones that are missing in OpenFoodFacts-based open source apps. It's not my project by the way; I didn't even make the property proposal but I see how it's super valuable and could be one of the first ways Wikidata gets widely used outside of WM. And the model for that property proposal is quite clear as far as I understood it: a property that can be added to items with a list of nutrient being possible values that each require a certain qualifier for the amount as in the examples.
Prototyperspective
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13:04, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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Well modeling with the ingredients would avoid duplication across items. For instance, if McDonald's uses the same beef patty for it's hamburger and cheeseburger, you'd be able to update one item (the patty) if it ever changes, instead of changing every instance where it is used. I understand your goal is generic foods at first, just an example! Querying should be fairly straight forward now that we can query for specific values on specific items (in this case only nutrients, I wouldn't query the statement of `start date` for example for a cheeseburger, though another researcher / project may find that useful on the QID page.
I'm glad you point out OpenFoodFacts, I think that + USDA + some web scrapers could be of massive benefit to Wikidata. OpenFoodFacts would require some serious parsing as every variant is it's own thing, but there's a lot of useful information there, in a compatible license, with an API. It's truly a goldmine for an import.
Let me know when you start this, I'd be interested in contributing to the import. I'm currently working on uploading every NBA and MLB game but that should be in maintenence mode by the time this kicks off. Im on the Wikidata Telegram or on Signal (Kevin.6614).
GA Kevin
talk
14:06, 8 April 2026 (UTC)
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It is bound to vary by country, there are different recipes
Secretlondon
talk
22:22, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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So far 0 additional contributors have participated in the property proposal.
Prototyperspective
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10:17, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
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I replied on the issue of a controlled vocabulary. And the issue of a definition of what is a nutrient is not a show-stopper since that's covered by said vocabulary. If @
Shisma
: and the rest of the nutrition dilettantes (a group I count myself in) can get behind not using an intentionally enshittified database like USDA for data import (you can thank lobbyists for this) I'll be more than happy to give my supporting vote. Literally any other database will do. If they insist on importing data from USDA I can't support the proposal as spreading incomplete nutritional data is tantamount to misinformation!
Infrastruktur
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10:37, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Yes, thanks for participating! (You already commented there earlier.) I have no issues with excluding various databases if their data quality is deemed too low. However, I think that's somewhat separate to the property itself and I wonder how one would populate the prop otherwise. I think there are two links here to other databases that could be used but I wonder how much data they have. I don't think there is insistence on importing data from USDA or any similar call – just so far there was no other known database with generic foods nutrients data other than it, you help in locating additional ones has been great. I do wonder though if one could import from USDA in some selective / smart way where data for some types of items are imported from there (ideas on how to identify good-quality items would be nice).
No objection to avoiding USDA unless some consensus – or rather a solution to the data quality issues (assuming they do exist and I haven't done sufficient verification efforts to say for sure but it seems to be a genuine concern) – is developed for some selective import from their database.
Prototyperspective
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13:22, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Here's a list over all the european FCDBs:
. Supposedly they all use the same controlled vocabulary, which means you will be able to complement with data from any of them. The british one contains items like Marmite and the Swedish one contains items like Surströmming which you probably won't find in any of the others.
Infrastruktur
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22:02, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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How can we resolve the interwiki conflict in the treatment of name pages?
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6 days ago
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While investigating why the interlanguage links for some names are broken, I discover
family name has to use a different item than disambiguation page
(Q27924673)
. The principle was not in my opinion well documented, but I asked around in the
WikiProject Names talk page
and updated
the documentation
accordingly.
In summary, it is (in my opinion rightfully) argued that there is a should be a distinction between name pages and general disambiguation, A name page focuses on the name meaning of a word and should ideally in addition to list notable people with the name, also give information about the name (origin/statistics). See
w:Watt (disambiguation)
and
w:Watt (surname)
However, except for English Wikipedia, no other language version are as ambitious with the name pages. They are mostly the same as disambiguation page. This leads to constant interwiki conflicts.
How can this be resolved? I think English way is the future, but it is sad that it breaks the language button. A small workaround as perhaps
Template:Interwiki extra
(Q21286810)
, but it not a clean solution.
Orubblig
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19:56, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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This is an issue for Wikispecies, with some "surname"
pages linked to items about family names
, and some
pages linked to items for disambiguation
(the latter being far more frequent).
Andy Mabbett
Pigsonthewing
);
Talk to Andy
Andy's edits
13:29, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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Help:Infobox export gadget
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Latest comment:
5 days ago
6 comments
3 people in discussion
I can't help but notice this gadget seems to produce an extremely high amount of constraint errors and poor data from Russian Wikipedia that others users are expected to clean up after. I feel like it's getting to a point where the existence of the gadget is actively harmful to Wikidata
Anything we can do about it?
Trade
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22:11, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Evidence (diffs, contributions)? --
Matěj Suchánek
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06:38, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
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Trade
talk
16:41, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
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I often see this with
award received
(P166)
as well:
grade of an order
(Q60754876)
is already present, but then the order itself is added via the gadget.
RVA2869
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07:48, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
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Trade
talk
19:22, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Matěj Suchánek
:--
Trade
talk
03:09, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
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Split of SIG Sauer (Q2280505)
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6 days ago
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2 people in discussion
On
SIG Sauer
(Q2280505)
, I
tried to
properly denote all the legal forms of the company, and the fact that it is in fact several separate ones, but if my understanding of this is correct, there should be seperete items for all the companies (branches?).
Michael21107
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18:39, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
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Yes, one company, one item. Do not blend multiple companies from various countries to one item.
Jklamo
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22:28, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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There is no official guideline on how to split an item, correct?
Michael21107
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22:50, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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How to donate organization Data
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Latest comment:
2 days ago
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Dear Team, I got the page that say any institution or organization can donate their data - so I have organization (Non Profit) they has data nut dont know how to donate - and also what kind of data can be donated - if there is any guide then would be better
Riddhiborisagar
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09:37, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
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Could you summarize what the data contain, what institution you worked for and the format of the data you have? What field your organization work for?
Yamato
Shiya
大和 士也
Talk
Contribs
04:46, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Recent deaths charts
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3 days ago
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Wikidata:Database reports/Recent deaths/charts
does not display anything – should it be deleted or could somebody fix it? Maybe other database reports are also affected by this.
Prototyperspective
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12:30, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
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The technology behind it, the Graph extension, got disabled years ago. The successor doesn't offer Wikidata support and will probably get it in 25 years, so till then they will be broken.
Sjoerd de Bruin
(talk)
19:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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Thanks for the info. Would be good to add that info to the page then instead of having a blank page.
Prototyperspective
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14:34, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Property proposal: MeetStadium ID (external identifier for stadiums)
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Latest comment:
7 days ago
2 comments
2 people in discussion
I've proposed a new external identifier property for MeetStadium, a stadium visitor guide database covering 135 venues (expanding to 700+) across the USA, Mexico, Canada, England, Spain, France, and Brazil, including all 16 FIFA World Cup 2026 host stadiums.
Each stadium has a stable slug identifier (e.g.,
metlife-stadium
estadio-azteca
camp-nou
) and the formatter URL is
Examples with corresponding Wikidata items:
MetLife Stadium
(Q10862290)
metlife-stadium
Banorte Stadium
(Q320454)
estadio-azteca
Camp Nou
(Q159848)
camp-nou
Wembley Stadium
(Q128468)
wembley-stadium
Maracanã Stadium
(Q155174)
maracana
Full proposal:
Wikidata:Property proposal/MeetStadium ID
Would appreciate community review.
~2026-23565-43
talk
22:34, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
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Proposal withdrawn.
Vicarage
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07:40, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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Now I can not edit modules
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Latest comment:
6 days ago
9 comments
3 people in discussion
I can not edit
MediaWiki:Gadget-markAdmins.js
, it tells me that me central login expired and invites me to login. When I try, it sends me back (central login expired) after I add my code from TFA. Otherwise, I am logged in and can edit and delete items. I have never seen anything like this. Does anyone else have the same problem?
Ymblanter
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19:35, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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Obviously this is only relevant for interface admins, nobody else can edit it anyway.
Ymblanter
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19:36, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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On the daily I keep getting logged out of Wikidata, wonder if it's related.
Sjoerd de Bruin
(talk)
19:36, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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I had to authenticate as well before editing the page
MediaWiki:Gadget-markAdmins.js
, in spite of being logged in before, but it did work and I was able to edit the page. —
MisterSynergy
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22:21, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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That has been in place since the security incident last month, see
phab:T197137#11723913
Sjoerd de Bruin
(talk)
10:27, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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This is ok by itself, but it is totally not ok that I can not login.
Ymblanter
talk
11:11, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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First idea is that there is something wrong with your browser, e.g. security settings too strict or some adblocker blocking servers that are necessary for authentication. Do you have anything like this, and can you verify with another, clean browser or browser profile? —
MisterSynergy
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11:28, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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After experimenting a bit on two devices, if I type the password manually from the keyboard it asks for my TFA but then sends me back. If I copy it by the mouse or let the automatic password manager to fill it in, I still get asked about TFA but then I can edit.
Ymblanter
talk
12:06, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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I copied this to the phabricator, which is probably a better venue to discuss this.
Ymblanter
talk
12:08, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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Creating Wikidata items for every chapter of a book
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Latest comment:
3 days ago
8 comments
4 people in discussion
We have separate Wikidata items for most, but not all, chapters of
Anne Bradstreet and her time
, e.g.
Anne Bradstreet and her time/Chapter IV
(Q138301957)
. This seems excessive to me, but according to
Wikidata's notability requirements
, "The status of subpages of [Wikisource] mainspace pages (for example, individual chapters) is undetermined." Can we please make this status determined one way or the other? One major downside to having these as separate Wikidata items is that we then need to maintain the proofreading status of every chapter separately, which is just extra work. I don't really see any practical purpose to having these chapter items (as interwiki links are better handled at the book level). My suggestion would be that we say
Subpages of mainspace pages (for example, individual chapters) are not considered valid unless they are written by separate authors or could be considered stand-alone works.
Nosferattus
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21:31, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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Re: "unless they are written by separate authors or could be considered stand-alone works" would apply to poems, plays, short stories, letters, speeches, forewords and introductions, and a lot of other things. But there are additional items that probably should have data items that aren't covered in that. The
cantos
of Dante's
Divine Comedy
, should probably have listings; the individual stories in Ovid's
Metamorphoses
; the books of Homer's
Iliad
. Each of these has been translated
in part
by various authors and there would be no other way to interconnect the various translations. So where do we draw the line? --
EncycloPetey
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22:12, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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EncycloPetey
: So how about
... unless they are written by separate authors, could be considered stand-alone works, or have been translated separately.
? Does that work?
Nosferattus
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22:39, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
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I created them mainly because many pages redirect to them, and those pages are themselves connected to Wikidata items. For example,
s:en:Anne Bradstreet and her time/Chapter IV
is target of the following redirects::
s:en:Upon Some Distemper of Body
is connected, and
s:en:Before the Birth of One of Her Children
is also connected. If the targets are not connected to Wikidata items, then these redirects will end up in
Wikidata:Database reports/Sitelink to redirect with unconnected target
KenntnisseSchüler
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10:05, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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It's fine if they show up in that report. It isn't expected that all cases in that report are solvable. It's just a list to review for cases that probably need either a redirect resolved to the target or a new Wikidata item added, but some cases are neither. Thus why the instructions say "For most cases, one of these two solutions exist". Another option is to create separate Wikisource pages just for those poems. If the poems are notable enough to need a redirect, they are presumably also notable enough to stand as separate Wikisource texts.
Nosferattus
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16:04, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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But that often won't be the case. On English Wikisource we have
many
instances of linking Shakespeare quotes to particular places in plays that contain the quotes. Since this is a related issue, ought we to have Wikidata items for those quotations, independent from any specific page or text on Wikisource? I'm looking for ideas on how best to handle such situations, because it's a related issue and fairly common for certain authors, and might be relevant to Wikiquote as well. --
EncycloPetey
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18:08, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
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wikisource has 660k pages, wikiquote 1/10 of that, so we could have items for every quote, but I doubt we'd want items for sub-pages in other wikis, like the wikisource chapters are.
Vicarage
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18:38, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
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EncycloPetey
: That's totally fine. Just don't create Wikidata items for the chapter that the quote is in simply because it contains a famous quote. Just create a Wikidata item for the quote and sitelink it to the chapter (or a redirect to the chapter). There's no policy or guideline saying that sitelinks have to be notable in and of themselves or have their own Wikidata items. And if a chapter has multiple notable quotes or poems we wouldn't be able to interwiki link them all anyway, so I don't think that should be an expectation. Although interwiki links sometimes work for subpage content, it's not what they are intended for.
Nosferattus
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00:48, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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Tiger Mask II
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These are the pages of Wikipedia:
. Can you unite in a single one "Tiger Mask II": (Q4006163), (Q28692707). Thank you.
Despandos
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10:49, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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Hi, I think it's fine as-is.
Tiger Mask II
(Q4006163)
Japanese anime television series
is the TV anime whereas
Tiger Mask II
(Q28692707)
Japanese manga series
is the original manga.
Yirba
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11:09, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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Tiger Mask
(Q1211572)
1969 television anime
, by the way, is the predecessor series.
Yirba
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11:10, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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"Tiger Mask II" is an anime series, while "Tiger Mask" is a manga and anime series.
Despandos
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11:18, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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There is also a Tiger Mask II manga series too, no?
Yirba
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11:27, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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Yes, but that was an adaptation in manga of the anime series, unlike "Tiger Mask" which was the contrary.
Despandos
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11:34, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
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According to the Japanese wiki article the manga came first. The Italian wiki article and the English wiki article for the main series make no mention of the sequel manga series for whatever reason. The other issue is that
Tiger Mask
(Q1211572)
is a big conflated mess that I haven't got round to fixing yet. —
Xezbeth
talk
05:16, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Thank you, but can you edit the it, ja and ar Wikipedias in both of them?
Despandos
talk
06:27, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Looking for co-maintainers for Pasleim’s Javascript tools
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Hey Wikidata community
Around 3.5 years ago,
User:Pasleim
retired from editing Wikidata, and shortly before he left he handed over his tool and bot accounts to me (User:DeltaBot, User:PLbot, and some tools such as
harvesttemplates
and
reCh
that are running under
).
While I can and do operate the Python bots which are meanwhile fully consolidated under the
User:DeltaBot
account, I do not have sufficient Javascript skills to maintain Pasleim’s Toolforge tools. Thus, I am looking for an experienced co-maintainer for the
pltools
and
plnode
tools. I would expect the co-maintainer to be a seasoned Wikidata editor and tool operator with proven experience in Javascript.
The source code is pretty much unchanged since Pasleim has left, and due to API changes the tools are meanwhile not operational any longer. There is certainly some clean-up required on Toolforge, and some changes are necessary to fix the tools.
If you are interested and feel qualified, feel free to answer here, or to write an email to me via
Special:EmailUser/MisterSynergy
. —
MisterSynergy
talk
11:50, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Count me in as interested, but would love to tackle them together with someone else so we can review each other's code.
Sjoerd de Bruin
(talk)
15:34, 18 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Nice to hear, and fine with me of course. If you happen to know someone who would fit, feel free to invite them to this discussion. —
MisterSynergy
talk
22:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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I can help co-maintaining the tools. I'm using them often, and familiar with JS. I think the recent issues with the tools are mostly due to DB changes, requires some revisit of the DB queries.
Eran
talk
09:49, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Thanks for looking into it and this post! Please see
W373: Continue the development of the Harvest Templates tool that allows importing data to Wikidata
(voting open) in the ongoing Community Wishlist; it also has some info why this is important and when it comes to Wikidata in specific top impact stuff. Further info/background at
Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2025/10#How can Wikidata be useful IRL if it has less data than Wikipedia?
Prototyperspective
talk
11:55, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
I suspect the only reason Pascal chose React for harvesttemplates was to learn it, which is a reason I can get fully behind. It otherwise makes little sense to use an SPA framework for something that isn't highly interactive. So the tool might benefit from a rewrite if a developer who is into the
KISS principle
is so inclined.
Infrastruktur
talk
11:06, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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Merging and unmerging suggestion
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Hello, I'm new here and the merging process seems complicated.
It seems to me that the pages
and
should be linked (the same page in two languages).
However, I think the German translation is incorrect because it refers to a different concept (related to cooking, not advertising) :
It seems that the pages need to be merged/unmerged... I'm not sure I fully understand the process.
~2026-23850-80
talk
08:40, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
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This has been fixed - I created a new item for the German term (I couldn't find anything like this kitchen position in other languages, but it may be a duplicate of something else), and merged the French and Spanish ones. See
Q2851757
ArthurPSmith
talk
16:12, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Any batch QuickStatements users here?
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If you (a) use QuickStatements, and (b) use it by submitting batches programmatically to the API (as opposed to copy/pasting them into the UI), are you able to offer help to someone who's having trouble getting this to work? Or, if this isn't the right place to ask, can you suggest a better place for asking about QuickStatements? Thanks! —
scs
talk
14:32, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Hello, discussions regarding Version 1.0 and 2.0 can be found at
Help talk:QuickStatements
and discussions regarding Version 3.0 at
meta:Talk:QuickStatements 3.0
M2k~dewiki
talk
16:09, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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Thanks. I and
another user
have had
the same query
at Help talk:QuickStatements for weeks, with no response. I guess I'll give QuickStatements 3 a try. —
scs
talk
02:38, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Timepiece
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Are
clock
(Q376)
and
timepiece
(Q42622779)
duplicate items? Could they be merged?--
Carnby
talk
08:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Q376 once was labeled "clock" in English - that was changed last July in
this edit
. Q376 is listed as a subclass of Q42622779, but I'm not entirely convinced the distinction is there clearly in the many language wikilinks on Q376. Not sure what's best here, but a merge might make sense (after removing the subclass relation).
ArthurPSmith
talk
16:16, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
No, in Dutch the difference is clear:
clock
(Q376)
is a clock, a (mechanical or electronic) device that tells the time
timepiece
(Q42622779)
is "clockwork", ie. the
mechanics
inside a clock
or any other timing device
Erik Baas
talk
16:39, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
I think a clock is an example of a of timepiece. If the Dutch term for clockwork is linked to timepiece then that's a mistake.
Secretlondon
talk
07:17, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #728
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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata in the
week leading up to 2026-04-20. Missed the previous one? See issue
#727
Discussions
Open request for adminship:
Yamato Shiya
- RfP scheduled to end after 26 April 2026 11:10 (UTC)
Closed request for adminship:
ZI Jony 2
- Closed as successful
Events
Upcoming events
OpenStreetMap X Wikidata Meetup #88 May 11 Time: 19:30-21:00 UTC+8 at
Mozilla Community Space Taipei (Q61752245)
Wikidata turns 14 this October, and it’s time to start thinking about birthday celebrations🥳.
See the various ways in which you can participate
Open Scholarly Profiles with Wikidata
- April 22, 2026 1300 - 1430 EDT (1700 - 1830 UTC). This is an onsite event at University of Central Florida and requires registration (see link).
University of Central Illinois - How does data power Wikipedia and Wikidata?
Discover how your data skills can make an impact. Join the two onsite sessions (April 21, follow the link for registration details).
Module 1
- GLAM Wiki and the Wikimedia Ecosystem: Commons and Structured Data: 0930 - 1130 CDT - An overview of GLAM-Wiki (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums).
Module 2
- Wikidata: Editing, Querying, Citations and GIS Applications, 1300 - 1500 CDT
Press, articles, blog posts, videos
Blogs:
Women in Photography – Wikidata Workshop with LightBox Photo Library
- to address the underrepresentation of women photographers in the Wikimedia Projects, this workshop brought tech reporters, librarians, researchers and photography enthusiasts to understand how Wikidata can unlock data silos and connect different projects (in the Wikiverse and external) to make data on women photographers more searchable.
Her Heritage Wiki Challenge: Art+Feminism in Ghana Month
No Signal? No Problem: Building the Dagbanli Dictionary for Offline Use
, by Mohammed Sadat Abdulai and Mohammed Awal Alhassan
Papers:
Optimising university web visibility: strategies using Wikidata identifiers and statements in Webometrics rankings
By Backory et al., (2026), this study analyses Webometrics rankings of universities, applying clustering algorithms (K-means, hierarchical clustering, fuzzy C-means, GMM, and DBSCAN) to identify which identifiers and statements the top-ranked institutions have in common on their Wikidata entities.
Videos:
OKI Internship 2026 - Wikidata & Screening Test Preparation
- Part of the Open Knowledge Initiative, hosted by Ankit V & Kasyap P.
Charted Roots - Genealogy and worldbuilding in Obsidian
- includes an example of linking to Wikidata to quickly add location data to your visualised family history.
Tool of the week
Depictor
by Hay Kranen is a tool that add structured data statements to Wikimedia Commons using a game-like interface
Other Noteworthy Stuff
What is Wikidata? - Library Carpentry
is part of
The Carpentries
, a registered non-profit teaching foundational coding and data science skills. They recently updated their introductory course to Wikidata and knowledge graph concepts.
Newest
properties
and
property proposals
to review
Newest External identifiers:
‎ocremix.org game ID
New General datatypes property proposals to review:
especially
(qualifier for statements to refine a value that applies more generally, but applies especially to a more specific value; a more specific qualifier than "including" (P1012))
independent of theory
(theory that proves neither this proposition nor its negation)
EPBC conservation status
(the conservation status from the Australian Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 assigned by the Australian Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water)
part of discography
(discography that this musical release is a part of)
New External identifier property proposals to review:
Thai Government Agency GFMIS Code
Conlang Database ID
Plataforma Acácia
Observatório Terras Quilombolas
LMTA folkloro archyvo ID
Kulturdenkmal-ID Rheinland-Pfalz
UNDRR-ISC Hazard Information Profile ID
Код Вестра
19star performer ID
EM-DAT disaster number
ColBase ID
BIOSOP ID
BIOKAND ID
You can comment on
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Did you know?
Query examples:
Depthness of subway stations in meters
(by
Bouzinac
Newest
database reports
Children of unborn parents
, this list shows the child entity's birth date predates the parent entity's birth date: good candidates to check if the birth and relationship statements need correcting.
Showcase Items
Haïlé Sélassié Ier
- Emperor of Ethiopia from 1930 to 1974
Showcase Lexemes
slide (L9704)
- English noun (slaɪd) meaning "a photographic transparency", "a playground or gym apparatus", or "a mass movement of earth or snow"
Development
The Wikibase Reuse team continued their work on ensuring
language fallback works for labels of linked entities in GraphQL
and on
refactoring wbsearchentities
The Wikidata team worked on explored how to reduce load for low data users
T400325
, fixed some bugs on the new mobile editing on Items
T418110
T414454
and improved some error messages
T417797
T412145
In the WIT team, engineering continued working on the
LilDiffCheck prototype
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. If you want to help, you can also have a look at
the tasks needing a volunteer
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JosefAnthony
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MediaWiki message delivery
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15:03, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Constraint violation flags no longer display?
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I noticed this morning while cleaning up items that have the same
Library of Congress authority ID
(P244)
that constraint violation flags no longer seem to appear on items that violate the unique value constraint. This is an example pair:
Geo. L. Rapp
(Q94413386)
and
George W. Leslie Rapp
(Q84562141)
. I took a look in Phabricator and couldn't find an issue for this, but I'm not very techy so it's very possible I've missed it. I first noticed this happening at least a couple weeks ago, and figured someone was working on it. Since it hasn't been resolved yet, I figured I should check in. Is this happening to anyone else? If so, are there plans to fix this?
I also noted that
the constraint report
for one of these items has a lot of "This SPARQL query resulted in an error" messages, and that seems like it could be related.
Mcampany
talk
15:22, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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This seems to have been fixed. Thanks!
Mcampany
talk
14:58, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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modelling graves
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Hi, I want to extract grave information and stumbled accross
Gaspard de Prony
(Q451608)
and
Sophie Germain
(Q7103)
Both have 2
place of burial
(P119)
, namely
the cemetery with qualifiers and
an individual grave object (with again all the stuff) and
furthermore a separate
image of grave
(P1442)
this is three places for the burial stuff.
there are
88 items
having
place of burial
(P119)
with an qualifier image and
image of grave
(P1442)
(also different images)
What is the primary modelling scheme for graves? Do we, when we are nor sure how to model, model all the alternatives? Is there a process (provided former questions being answered properly) to get rid of parallel modelling alternatives (including streamlining personal tastes to a single alternative)? best --
Herzi Pinki
talk
21:11, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Hi, it's probably specific to Père-Lachaise cemetery for historical reason. Some wikimedians asked me to stop what I was doing on Commons and created Wikidata items for graves. That's why the info is now duplicated.
Pyb
talk
21:36, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Erroneously merged items
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I'm sorry that I have erroneously merged three items, two if which should be merged, but the third should not. The items are
Tsähkkok
(Q10698989)
and the old ones
Tsäkkok
(Q23845718)
Tsäkkok
(Q31503648)
. Is it possible to unmerge these, so that I can fullfill a correct process?
Nit-hak2
talk
11:48, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
I've reverted your edits.
Secretlondon
talk
12:47, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Thanks alot.
Nit-hak2
talk
12:49, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. --
Prototyperspective
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14:50, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Spam part of BLOD: Biomedical Linked Open Datasets
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each item here has mul-label "en" and seems to have part of BLOD: Biomedical Linked Open Datasets, at least each links there.
The creator of the items is
User:Sanalatif0806
who also created "BLOD: Biomedical Linked Open Datasets (
Q137008561
)", the latter has "author name string" = "Sana Latif, Maria Angela Pellegrino", publication date 2025 and several claims "has part", but no evidence for that has been provided.
And several items, including those that existed before 2025, received part of BLOD, e.g. Basic Formal Ontology (
Q4866972
), that is where I found BLOD and then the related items.
A bot (
User:MsynABot
) protected the BLOD-item
22:02, 27 February 2026 MsynABot talk contribs protected BLOD: Biomedical Linked Open Datasets (Q137008561) [Edit=Allow only autoconfirmed users] (indefinite) (Highly used item: to be indefinitely semi-protected per Wikidata:Protection policy#Highly used items; please use Template:Edit request on the item talk page if you cannot edit this item
Maybe it would make more sense to protect Basic Formal Ontology (
Q4866972
) from adding nonsense to it than such a publication as BLOD.
GraphControl
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12:12, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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Wikidata:Requests for comment/External identifier sorting
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FYI
Wikidata:Requests for comment/External identifier sorting
- To fix several flaws of
Wikidata:Requests for comment/Sort identifiers
and
MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties
GraphControl
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18:43, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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Wiki Loves Bangla 2026 has started, Join Now!
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Hello Project chat,
We are excited to announce that
Wiki Loves Bangla 2026
has started! This year’s theme focuses on
Bengal festivals
, inviting participants to capture and share images and videos of the diverse cultural celebrations across Bengal.
Wiki Loves Bangla
is an international photography contest on Wikimedia Commons aimed at documenting Bengali culture and heritage worldwide. It is organised annually as part of the
Bangla Culture and Heritage Collation Program
, with a dedicated theme each year.
How You Can Participate
, it's easy and simple, and every upload contributes to the world's largest free knowledge repository:
Winning image from Wiki Loves Bangla 2025.
Attribution:
Ashraf747
CC BY-SA 4.0
Capture
: Take photos or videos of Bengal festivals.
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: Share your files to Wikimedia Commons between
14 April and 15 May 2026
Win
: A total of
USD 1,100
in prizes.
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Moheen
(keep talking)
20:28, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
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Removing labels redundant with mul causing problems to automatic lists
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According to
Help:Default_values_for_labels_and_aliases#Am_I_free_to_remove_redundant_labels_and_aliases?
, labels for each language are being removed and replaced with a single mul label when possible.
That is causing problems with automatic lists because sometimes ListeriaBot is not handling properly mul labels, as I've checked
in cawiki
and
in enwiki
. With default settings, for items with only mul label and without labels in any other language:
If the item doesn't have an article in the wiki, the Wikidata item is linked with the mul label, which is right.
However, if the item has an article in the wiki, the article is linked (which is right) but the Q id is used as text (which is wrong) instead of the mul label (which would be right).
If there are labels in other languages, those are used (according to the undocumented language fallback rules) yielding nice human readable text as expected - and as we were used to until redundant labels started to be removed.
I plan to report the issue to be fixed in ListeriaBot, but since maintenance of ListeriaBot is usually slower than ideal because @
Magnus Manske
is busy, I propose to pause removing redundant labels in Wikidata until Listeria can handle mul labels properly.
Pere prlpz
talk
09:14, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
As said, I've opened
but I don't expect the problem to be fixed there very soon. I hope to be proved wrong.
Pere prlpz
talk
09:28, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
I had already created an issue about that:
and linked it in a wish for issues like this in Listeria to get fixed (1 supporter so far):
W364: Continue development of the Listeria bot that creates dynamic tables using Wikidata
(voting open). The title of my issue may have been a bit unclear.
propose to pause removing redundant labels in Wikidata
I oppose that. Somebody should simply help with the development. New AI tools have made such development much faster and easier, it just needs a) some people to understand the impact and importance of technical development and b) do it. The latter would be aided by what I pointed out at
m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2026-2027#The problem that underlies most issues and challenges noted here and elsewhere
. Thanks,
Prototyperspective
talk
13:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Yes, the problem should be solved from ListeriaBot.
But no, we can't just let Wikidata be unusable to other projects just because we can put the blame somewhere else.
Some projects -notabley enwiki- don't trust Wikidata and store all their data locally, while others (like cawiki an others) rely on hundreds of automated lists and work with them on Wikidata. Wikidata suddenly withdrawing support for automated lists because somebody else should fix it is a gross betrayal to everybody who has trusted it. In fact, that's the best way to encourage projects to do as enwiki does and not to use Wikidata.
And maybe the fix is easy. If that is the case, the pause doesn't need to be long, just enough for somebody to build a replacement for ListeriaBot with more than 1 maintainer - something you said you could do easily with AI. Then, it's just doing it and having a replacement before making the existing lists by deleting language labels.
Pere prlpz
talk
13:39, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Which Wikipedia uses the listeria bot where it needs the mul label?
Prototyperspective
talk
14:15, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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It's not the mul label that it's needed.
In the examples I linked (
from cawiki
and
from enwiki
) ListeriaBot fails to fall back to the mul label when building the text for the link to an article, and shows the Qid instead of the label. I only checked enwiki and cawiki but I assume it is happening across all wikis.
That error is already happening in some rows in
ca:Viquiprojecte:Wikidata/Defuncions recents
-the rows about the people where all labels except for mul have been removed-, and is expected to happen more pages as more labels are being removed. I'm not sure if it just affects the default setting for links or what are the effect in other settings.
Fortunately, as far as I can see, items with coordinates are excluded from label removal and that limits the effect on cawiki because a lot of our automatic lists are about geography.
And just as removal of labels in items with coordinates is paused because a function needs to be fixed first to keep working without language labels -which seems a sensible plan- it should be paused for other items until ListeriaBot can properly handle fallback to mul labels in all cases where other languages have been removed.
Pere prlpz
talk
14:33, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
English Wikipedia does not allow listeria tables. In indirect uses the user can and is expected to fix bug-caused content like missing or false language labels. Didn't know cawiki uses listeria tables directly, thanks for your investigations. Don't know if pausing listeria updates is the right approach, maybe it is.
Prototyperspective
talk
14:42, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
It isn't. The whole point of using Wikidata and Listeria is to allow for continuous updating of lists - and in fact Wikidata and its tools streamlines a lot the workflow of updating lists. The previous few times than due to Listeria malfunctions it has stopped updating lists for some time, it has been an important disturbance.
And please notice that cawiki is not the only wiki using Listeria in its main namespace. I agree that issues in Wikipedias that don't allow use of Wikidata in main namespace aren't a big deal, but I understand that our goal must be to persuade all projects to trust Wikidata and use it in lists and infoboxes, not to punish those that already trust it by withdrawing support.
Pere prlpz
talk
14:58, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Of course, pausing sine die the removal of redundant labels might not be the only solution, but before continuing with removal it should be assessed which projects use ListeriaBot in main namespace and if sensible workarounds exist - which could exist or not depending on how different configurations of link parameter are affected and on whether lists with different parameters still serve its intended purpose.--
Pere prlpz
talk
15:23, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
I agree with @
Pere prlpz
for the reasons given.
AlbertRA
talk
15:40, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
According to
Help:Default values for labels and aliases#Am I free to remove redundant labels and aliases?
, labels for each language are being removed and replaced with a single mul label when possible.
(I am the main author of the section.) It seems most problems can be avoided by keeping the English label, which used to be
the fallback
(which is written on that page after all). Unfortunately, this chicken-egg problem will hunt us forever: we will never know where removing 'mul' causes problems until we try it. --
Matěj Suchánek
talk
07:38, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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Removing the English label is fine if it's the same as the mul label. If there is something one could do is allowing to specify explicitly langs that the default label and/or which don't have it; the input field for these could then be disabled and by default it could be all langs with Latin alphabet (if the mul label is of that type?) or one could have a multi-select to select eg 'Latin alphabet langs'.
Prototyperspective
talk
09:38, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
Reply
Fortunately, Magnus Manske has updated ListeriaBot to include mul in the fallback list for label language
[6]
so that mul takes precedence over Qid. Therefore this particular problem should be solved by now and, as far as I can see, redundant labels removal can proceed. (Disclaimer: I haven't tested that it actually works).
However, I'd like to stress that, as a general principle, any new development in Wikidata should take in account the tools and projects that rely on Wikidata, do some reasonable testing before deploying, and be ready to pause deployment if problems arise downstream.--
Pere prlpz
talk
12:32, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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Pre-announcement: Expanding occupation labels from GSCO database
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Hello everyone,
I am writing to inform the community about a planned expansion of my bot's activities (
User:Maris Dreshmanis
).
What
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I plan to add missing
labels
descriptions
, and
aliases
for occupation items (instances/subclasses of
profession
(Q28640)
) in underrepresented languages.
Data source
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GSCO (Global Standard Classification of Occupations)
— a multilingual occupation database I have compiled from 50+ national occupation registries. All data comes from legally authoritative government sources (national statistical offices, ministries of labor), not machine translation. My sources include:
ESCO
(European Skills, Competences, Qualifications and Occupations) — 28 EU languages
National registries: Turkey (ISCO-TR), Brazil (CBO), India (NCO), Indonesia (KBJI), Bangladesh (BSCO), Canada (NOC), Mexico (SINCO), Russia (OKZ), Kenya (KeSCO), and 40+ others
ISCO-08 codes as the universal linking key
Scope
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Phase 1 (current):
Labels for occupations in languages with low coverage (Maltese, Irish, Icelandic, etc.)
Phase 2:
Descriptions for occupation items
Phase 3:
Aliases from alternative occupation names in national registries
Quality assurance
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I run pre-validation via a local SQLite cache — every edit is checked against current Wikidata state before submission
I only fill empty fields — existing labels/descriptions are never overwritten
I use a confidence tier system: only 100% confidence edits are automated
I have automatic revert monitoring every 10 minutes with emergency stop
I use dynamic throttle: speed increases only if 0 reverts over 7 days
My current track record: ~4,000 edits across 27 languages,
0 reverts, 0 errors
Technical details
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Bot account:
User:Maris Dreshmanis
(bot flag pending,
request
Server: Dedicated Hetzner server, fixed IP
Edit rate: Currently 500/day (unflagged), I plan to gradually increase to 5,000-10,000/day after receiving the flag
Edit summary format:
Adding label from GSCO occupation database (I: GSCO, S: ESCO)
Contact
edit
If you have any concerns about specific edits, please leave a message on my
talk page
or email wikidata@marisdreshmanis.com.
I welcome any feedback or suggestions before I scale up.
--
Maris Dreshmanis
talk
09:38, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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New property for buildings - "projektant"
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Dear all, the Czech community wants to propose a new property for a person who is responsible for the technical documentation of a building. This person is distinct from
architect
(P84)
- an architect focuses on the overall design, aesthetics, and spatial concept of a building, while a building's "projektant" is responsible for the technical design, detailed plans, and ensuring the structure works safely and efficiently. "Projektant" is often listed alongside architects for each building in the Czech environment. The item
building designer
(Q106425528)
seems very similar to the concept of building "projektant", but I would like to ask English, German, or other native speakers to help me find best translations for this concept, if possible - to prevent further confusion - even if it's not just one word.
Vojtěch Dostál
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11:59, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Note, that
projektant
is used also for people making documentation for roads, bridges, pipelines or powerlines and sometimes also machines, so ideally find name that covers all these professions.
JAn Dudík
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13:25, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Presumably the relevant article is
cs:Projektant
, which is linked to
architectural draftsperson
(Q14623005)
"architectural draftsperson". It might be worth asking for input at
en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language
TSventon
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14:41, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Other kinds of creators (like sculptors or artists) don't have a dedicated property, but we use
creator
(P170)
with qualifier
object of statement has role
(P3831)
set as
sculptor
(Q1281618)
or whatever. For building designers we could do the same and specify them as
creator
(P170)
with qualifier
object of statement has role
(P3831)
set as
building designer
(Q106425528)
Having a different property for every professional that participates in the creation of things is possible but it doesn't seem what we are doing.
Additionally, not only the name changes between countries. Also professions and roles change, too. For example, the statement "
an architect focuses on the overall design, aesthetics, and spatial concept of a building, while a building's "projektant" is responsible for the technical design, detailed plans, and ensuring the structure works safely and efficiently
" isn't true in Spain, where architects are also responsible for the technical documentation of buildings. It might be difficult to find a property that could be applied across enough countries to be useful.
Pere prlpz
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18:39, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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structural engineer
(Q2305987)
is the common term in the UK
Vicarage
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04:49, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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There is a problem with qualifier of qualifier.
If I know that the designer
Trojská lávka
(Q102227957)
is
Lukáš Vráblík
(Q106086846)
then there is no problem putting it as
creator
(P170)
object of statement has role
(P3831)
subject has role
(P2868)
architectural draftsperson
(Q14623005)
But how to write that the
projektant
of the reconstruction
Barrandov Bridge
(Q4041206)
is
Milan Šístek
(Q95482750)
? The reconstruction can be given as
significant event
(P793)
reconstruction
(Q2478058)
with qualifiers from-to and then there should be
projektant
, but in this case we need separateproperty, otherwise we must use
designer
or
architect
again.
structural engineer
(Q2305987)
is subcalss od
projektant
, is possible to use it for bridge or some other structures, but his give no sense for another types of constructions - commons buildigs, road, railroads, water canals ats. My profession is
projektant
, but I am certainly not
structural engineer
(Q2305987)
JAn Dudík
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06:45, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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We don't need qualifiers of a qualifiers but just two qualifiers to the statement. We could use
creator
(P170)
with
object of statement has role
(P3831)
qualifier to specify the rol (projektant) and
applies to part
(P518)
or another qualifier to specify that this role is in relation to
reconstruction
(Q2478058)
Please don't get me wrong: having a dedicated property for every specific role would be nice, but we would need a lot of properties. One property for projectant would only work for the Czech Republic and countries that have an equivalent role. In Spain, for example, that role doesn't exist, but we would need properties for
Q6089080
Construction manager
(Q16557264)
and
Q5808120
(or more specific items) and several roles more.
Therefore, I don't think having a property for projectant is a bad idea in itself. It's just that it's not practical to have a dedicated property for each specific role in the creation of buildings and other kinds of works. And since we don't even have a dedicated property for roles as clearly identifiable and widespread as sculptor or painter, not having properties for very specific creator roles seems the rule in Wikidata.
Pere prlpz
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12:54, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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HI
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HI I'm new here so if anyone can help me that would be great thanks!!!!!😁😁
Tulip1412
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19:10, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
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Wikidata:Community_portal
is a good place to start.
Secretlondon
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10:40, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Maybe that place could be linked more visibly or be shown when people register here or come here (registered first on another Wikimedia project). --
Prototyperspective
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12:55, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. --
Prototyperspective
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12:55, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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International websites
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Hey, there seems to be a bit of ongoing drama with multilingual websites being removed from entries. I would really like to see Wikidata hold these, it solves a problem for OpenStreetMap, hopefully I'm not misunderstanding
Wikidata here.
cc @
Iamcarbon
Paranoid25
CjMalone
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06:44, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Can you give an example? Is this just about Jeep? The talk page doesn't have anything about this, but has lots about unhelpful merging.
Secretlondon
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10:38, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Including all the links for every language variant of the website serves no purpose, except to "clutter" Wikidata with external links. There's the international one (www.jeep.com), which when opened lets you choose whether to stay there or redirect to the local one.
Paranoid25
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18:43, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Data about earliest English books
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I read
Recuyell of the Historyes of Troye
Recuyell of the Historyes of Troye or Recueil des Histoires de Troye (1464) is a translation by William Caxton of a French courtly romance written by Raoul Lefèvre, chaplain to Philip III, Duke of Burgundy. It was the first book printed in the English language.
so I made this list/query for data we got in Wikidata:
Wikidata:List of earliest books available in English
. Looks like there are items with years down to 155, these probably need fixing. Additionally, maybe the book should be linked with just 1 row per book instead of the editions? The list can also be used for further data improvements and adding missing items.
Prototyperspective
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14:57, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Also, in
this query
for another language, why does it show items like
Q121929842
to have publicationDate year 1001 and why is the title only in the
title
(P1476)
property but not in the labels?
Prototyperspective
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15:08, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
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Anatomical mess
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Have anyone else noticed our anatomical items being a complete mess? In most items there aren't even any attempt at differentiating between human anatomical parts and animal anatomical parts. Everything is just treated interchangeably
Trade
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07:58, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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A query to see such items and the relevant props would be useful.
Prototyperspective
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09:39, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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Trade
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12:28, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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Trade
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12:50, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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