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(added 14:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC))
Code letter
- B
In the arbcom case
Ehud Lesar
arbitration case
) (
ev
) (
) (
pd
, a laundry list of possibly related users has been raised
here
, and more specific accusations are being raised
here
The above list of usernames is all of the usernames/IP mentioned in that diff. VartanM might like to add more here.
John Vandenberg
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Note:
- as this involves an active ArbCom case, shouldn't this be handled by the Arbitration Committee directly rather than here, as it seems to be an integral part of the case mentioned? Most arbitrators are also checkusers. At the very least, I'm thinking that ArbCom could issue an interim finding on all this -
is
06:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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The Ehud case is about the link between Ehud and Adil, so I am not expecting CU to issue a new finding between them. The evidence presented includes many, many usernames, because everyone is trying to provide links that could eventually join Ehud and Adil more conclusively, so many of these could be very tangential to the case. Also, these theories are not going to go away unless there is a thorough CU. Any links between these users need to be in the open so that the parties and pundits know which links are valid and which arn't.
Also, this involves Wikisource, so a steward is also required, and an existing RFCU is also involved.
If this results in any new evidence (conclusive or otherwise), the arbs will no doubt double check it.
John Vandenberg
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Sorry to augment this request; there is concern that there is
malice
in my omission of IP address 69.143.131.204, so I've now added it;
this diff
should explain why it is being included. I omitted it because I didnt see that it need to be listed - AFAICS either it is an IP address of that user, and the CU will have noticed and included it in their analysis, or it isn't the IP address of that user. Anyway, this request is about clarity, so I request a little more.
John Vandenberg
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Results
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I have run a check on AdilBaguirov on en:ws and have the data available to other CUs on request. I will work on this case as time permits but may not get to the en:wp checks till perhaps later today. I am leaving CU turned on for me there for a bit as I may need to check other IPs... ++
Lar
11:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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I did get a chance to do some more checks. What is being asked for seems a bit vague but here goes:
212.38.111.120 and 212.38.115.56 are
Confirmed
as related. It is
Likely
but not certain that 82.118.137.238 is the same user as well. No relation to other users listed. No activity on en:ws ... I did not check the contribs to see if there are issues.
Sisternarmin and Malikbek are
Confirmed
as the same user or two closely related users (this is per admission of Malikbek here:
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Ehud_Lesar/Proposed_decision#Malikbek
so not exactly a surprise). I did not check the contribs to see if there are issues. No edits on en:ws
Correction. The CU findings corroborate the admission, the connection asserted is per the findings, not the admission. ++
Lar
16:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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AdilBaguirov -
Stale
... not surprisingly (nothing changed from last check). I ran checks on en:ws and the user edits from a single IP there. Did not check to validate if it is the same user or not and did not check the edits themselves for issues.
Ehud Lesar -
Unrelated
to other users. I did not check the contribs to see if there are issues. No edits on en:ws
Possible
that Verjakette is related to Merjanov... I did not check the contribs to see if there are issues. No edits on en:ws. no relations to other listed users.
Question: Does Verjakette have an interest in
Age of Secrets
? I discovered a nest of apparent socks which are apparently unrelated to Verjakette (but might be) editing this article (and getting reverted for various problems) from one of Verjakette's IPs. The IP is a non portable one so I'm confused. Can some interested admin contact me for more info on that please?
Please let me know if you have more questions. Interested CUs can contact me for a copy of the results of the checks I ran. ++
Lar
12:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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Clerk note:
see also
Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Peterx45678
, I reported the incidental findings related to
Age of Secrets
there. ++
Lar
14:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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Addendum, per Jayvdb's addendum. (I have no idea why there's malice involved in omission of something but whatever) The diff confirms the user is not trying to hide the fact, and it is
Confirmed
that Merjanov == 69.143.131.204 ... As stated before Merjanov is not related to any other user given (if I had found anything else on the IP I would have done more cross correlation.), and so, neither is the IP. Also nothing on en:ws was found. Hope that clarifies. ++
Lar
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Correction, not related except possibly to Verjakette... can't rule it out but it's not definite. ++
Lar
15:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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Clerk note:
someone maybe should mention on en:ws that these checks were run. Perhaps in the
Scriptorium
... I guess I will. ++
Lar
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Comment
Is Merjanov and 69.143.131.204 from here related with AdilBaguirov on Wikisource according to their location? Is it too late to ask to see if Londium is related to any of those? My evidence almost certainly confirms it is Ehud, I just want to know if Londium is related to any other users. Checking
those
other accounts may help. Also Lar, your findings are interesting on the association of Verjakette with other socks. Adil has been doing similar stuff, including probably using other users IP when they are open proxies.
Here
we have another IP which was most certainly used by Adil. You will see that he is acting as a vandal not related to the case. But more scrutiny reveals Adil. Like
this
edit of the article he always had a problem with and attempted to remove the information. Or those edits
[1]
[2]
[3]
or when the IP removed reference to the Kurds and Armenians from Lachin.
[4]
. An article also edited by Melikbek (interestingly the locations the suspected socks of Adil have edited were edited by Melikbek) who expended the Talysh Khanate article. Is there a way to run a checkuser and extend it to Russian Wikipedia?
This
suggest that there may be something to be found there.
—Preceding
unsigned
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(and slightly amended at 16:48 UTC)
Additional information needed
- I am a steward, i can run checks anywhere if there is reason for it (or, preferably, involve local CUs). However... I need specific diffs that demonstrate a compelling reason to run a check. Some of the above isn't that, it's assertions and links to contributions. I don't (nor do most other CUs) have time to go through contribution logs looking for reasons to run a check. I will look into the IP when I get a chance though. ++
Lar
18:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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Lar, my last comment regarding Russian Wikipedia was because the person who made the edits (last diff) pointed to Russia, Adil was if I remember correctly in Russia during that period for his post-doc. I know I sound obsessed, but its impossible for me to act otherwise. I don't believe in a coincidence of one account starting to edit when the other one just stopped. So I was wondering if the last user(last diff) would correspond geographically or ISP to one of the IPs used by Adil. There may be impersonations of Armenians over in Russian Wikipedia which I am suspecting.
VartanM
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I have AdilBaguirov's old IPs and his Wikisource one's from a recent check. It is
Possible
he is Merjanov based on geographical similarity, but the ISPs are not the same.
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Clerk note:
I am moving all the following comments to the talk page in order to keep this page to a reasonable length. Please do not discuss the merits of CU here, but on the talk page. --
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Code letter
- B (
Arbcom ban
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan
Comment:
User:AdilBaguirov
's ban was extended, based on identification of
User:Londium
as a sock
User:AdilBaguirov
by
User:Alex Bakharev
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as "off-wiki communication" with
User:Alex Bakharev
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User:J.smith
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Yeah right, as if this was required to have a reset of the ban when Adil is raining in with his multiple sockpuppets. Why request a checkuser... sounds right now that his Ehud account still sticks, an alleged Jew who merely reverts to your and Grandmaster’s versions and is concentrated in Armenian-Azeri related articles and who only returns to Jewish contributions when other editors wonder about him. Francis Tyers suspected him being Adil even though Ehud was reverting to his own version. Had this been his only account we could close our eyes, but that he keeps parallel accounts like Artaxiad has done, keeping one clean and leaving the dirty job for other creations of his would more than enough justify a reset, a little price to pay considering that he's still contributing (Ehud) without any consequences. -
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Ehud is not Adil, this was established by checkuser below.
Grandmaster
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Unrelated
. Too stale to directly check. But checking against old likely sock DrAlban, they are not related.
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Code letter
- B (
Arbcom ban
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan
Likely sock of AdilBaguirov based on contributions. Eloghlu's first edits were to engage in an article where
Dacy69
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Azerbaijani people
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19:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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Unrelated
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Code letter:
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Arbcom ban
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Likely to be the Adil due to activity on similar, obscure, articles. See contributions for details. -
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I second this request. This "new" user is edit warring on the same pages where confirmed sockpuppets of the
banned user
AdilBaguirov had edit warred on, see the previous RFUC for AdilBaguirov. I would also like to add that AdilBaguirov has previously been caught using open proxies and hosting IPs, and assuming imposter identities/nationalities. (please see
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Added Qurultay due to his recent arriaval and full knowledge of Wikipedia rules see the history of
Pan-Turkism
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07:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
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Additional information needed
please provide links to a discussion where suspected sock puppets affected the outcome.
Kwsn
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15:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
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I corrected the code, it should have been B, an evasion of a ban by arbcom. Francis had used the wrong code.
Hajji Piruz
15:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
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.And Kwsn agrees that the check user is ok now, see
[6]
and
[7]
. There should be no confusion, its code B. Thanks.
Hajji Piruz
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Appears to be
Unrelated
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Recently on June 19, 2007 there was an edit war on Church of Kish page
[8]
, For which I requested page protection
[9]
Four single use/throw away accounts were used to revert war and vandalize
Church_of_Kish
Movses_Kagankatvatsi
Justin_McCarthy_(American_historian)
Gandzasar_monastery
Syunik
and
House_of_Hasan-Jalalyan
All four users were blocked indefinitely. The vandals edits was directly or indirectly connected to users
Atabek
Parishan
and
Ateshi-Baghavan
. A similar checkuser was conducted, which included
myself
Hetoum I
TheTruth4578
, an anon. IP and
Hakob
, the results were negative
[10]
. I would like to
AGF
and apologize to Atabek, Parishan and Ateshi-Baghavan, for including their names in the list. The only reason your names are included is because you were involved in the Church of Kish conflict.
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Likely
. AdilBaguirov = DrAlban = Otvetniyudar = Aramgutan = Naharar. Also HachikTumanyan and AlexParKinson. Others not related.
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The user just got blocked for edit warring, than Atabek pops up. Regarding his comment, Atabek comes right after Adil gets blocked funny how its not even him who he is talking about,
[11]
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Code letter:
The following users may or may not be sockpuppets of AdilBaguirov, but one thing is for certain, all these accounts have been started by one person, and if necessary, please do a seperate checkuser of these usernames to see if their IP's match or are relatively the same:
Atabek, Elsanaturk, Roazir, and Elnurso have all made the exact same types of personal Attacks against me. Elsanaturks attack:
[12]
Atabek's attack (last sentence and header of section he started, putting my name in quotations):
[13]
Roazir's attack:
[14]
Elnurso's attack (see edit summary):
[15]
. Also, notice how their talking is relatively the same and that they all really appeared out of nowhere, many times after long absences, in January to help with reverts on certain articles: AdilBaguirov's contributions (see past 500, notice how he became active again in January after a period of absence):
[16]
Elnurso's contributions (see past 500, became active on December 31):
[17]
Atabek's contributions (past 500, became active on January 21):
[18]
Elsanaturk's contributions (past 500, became active on January 13):
[19]
Roazir's contributions (became active on January 15):
[20]
Tengri's contributions (became active on January 26):
[21]
. Notice how Elnurso stopped editing on January 11 and Elsanaturk started editing on January 13, just two days later (also notice the "El" infront of both of their names). Furthermore, notice how AdilBaguirov has been accused of having multiple accounts before (evidence is presented here), in this case regarding Dacy69:
[22]
These users have appeared out of nowhere, in intervals, and have all engaged in edit wars in overlapping articles. Some make comments on talk pages supporting each other, and some help with reverts.
Basically, here is a quick summary: a) same type of personal attacks, b) all came out of nowhere in late December or January, c) all involved in relatively the same topics, and d) all have the same tone and writing style.
Azerbaijani
01:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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Declined
If personal attacks are occurring, they should be addressed first so that there's a basis for running a checkuser on suspected puppets of the account established as abusive. --
jpgordon
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01:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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Here is where I was recommended to ask for a check user:
[23]
. Also, I have reported these personal attacks twice, this was the first time:
[24]
and this was the second:
[25]
. Please reconsider this checkuser.
Azerbaijani
02:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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The diff you provided says, "If you believe he used another account/IP to evade 3RR, you an file a Checkuser request: WP:RFCU." Where is a 3RR block being evaded? --
jpgordon
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02:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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Here (read Khoikhoi's edit summary):
[26]
Besides, isnt the evidence I posted above enough for a check user? Also, I have shown that I tried to deal with the attacks twice, but they still continued, so I decided to do a check uers.
Azerbaijani
02:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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What does the "block-evading anon" mentioned in that diff have to do with anything? All you need to do is show me just what block you think is being evaded by these editors, if that's what's going on. Since you asked: the things you list as "personal attacks" above do not rise to the level of anything actionable, in my estimation. --
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What about the evidence I posted? You cant just do a check user? By the way, Elnurso was the one that got blocked for 3rr and came back under that IP to continue his edit warring, that was the evading. Also, regarding the rest of them, they have brought up doubt that they could be the same person, does this not warrant a check user? I suspect that these are all sock puppets created to make it appear as though its more than one editor and to help with reverts and opinions. This warrants a check user does it not?
Azerbaijani
02:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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Oh I apologize, I think I was supposed to post this in the IP check section, not the check User section, correct? My mistake, can you make the transfer or should I?
Azerbaijani
02:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
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